[NL2-NL10] Nl25 Ak

    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      I'm trying to incorporate odds and outs into my play so i was hoping for some advice on this hand.

      I make 6 outs available to me (3xA, 3xK) which gives me odds of 3:1 with two cards still to be seen and pot odds of 3.85:1. So if these are correct (please correct if i'm not) would it be good to push here or was the fold correct.

      My apologies if i've got the odds and pot odds wrong as i'm still learning :)


      Known players:
      SB:
      $16.95
      BB:
      $15.00
      UTG+1:
      $24.30
      UTG+2:
      $29.80
      MP1:
      $12.10
      Hero:
      $5.30
      MP3:
      $10.60
      CO:
      $26.60
      BU:
      $3.80

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:club: , K:spade: . MP3 posts a blind of $0.25.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, BB calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($2.85) 4:heart: , 7:spade: , T:club: (2 players)
      BB bets $1.00, Hero folds, BB gets uncalled bet back..

      Final Pot: $2.85
  • 10 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Hi Bu11d0g

      Assume a 100% callingrange if you shove because you give him good odds to call

      $2.85+$4.05 : $4.05
      1.7:1
      = 37% , you have to have 37% to be +EV but 6 outs = 3,1:1 so thats 24.3% you are in average on when you did not hit an Ace or King on the flop

      P < outs/odds so you are -EV when you push here
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Hey Gerv,

      Apologies if this sounds stupid but was you're working out to do with equity as i'm trying to understand your calculations.

      Regards,

      Bulldog
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Originally posted by TheBu11d0g
      Apologies if this sounds stupid but was you're working out to do with equity as i'm trying to understand your calculations.
      Could you rephrase this in another sentence ?
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      I was wondering how you worked out that i needed 37% to be +EV but that i only had 24.3%. I know how you got to the ratio of each but not how you turned that ratio into a percentage value

      Hope this helps as i would like to know how to work it out myself Gerv.

      Regards,

      Bulldog
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      according to the outs/odds chart in the articles, you see that if you have 13 outs , your odds are based on 2 cards 1:1

      This does NOT mean that you win 100% but you lose 1 and you win 1. Meaning a 50% chance of winning.
      Now this is with numerators. you can say I have odds against of 1:1 but you also can say I have a winning chance of 1/2 or 50%

      Now with other situations (against) you just add up the lonely 1 to your odds against and then you do that number to the power of minus-one(^-1).
      So

      a Flushdraw have odds of 2:1 when you shove it all-in on the Flop.
      You add the 'one' to the two so you get (2+1)=3
      now you do 3 to the power of -1 (3² but then the -1) and you get 0.3333, thats the percentage if you do it times 100.

      So 1.7:1 in my explanation, you have to add 1 by 1,7, do that to the power of -1 and you know your equity.

      Hope this explains it ;)
      Otherwise try to study This .pdf file that explains Math in Poker

      Cheers
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Im getting it roughly :D

      I'll study the pdf document that you kindly gave me a link to so that i can understand it completely.

      Thank you so much for your time and effort in explaining this to me as odds, outs and poker maths are all new to me right now but its something i definitely want to understand and master.

      Regards,

      Bulldog
    • davidangel
      davidangel
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      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      Understanding odds and outs is a critical part of playing winning poker. As a pro you want to get your money in when you have good hand odds, and make your opponents put money in when they have bad hand odds. Study all the information you can find and feel free to start a thread in the discussion area with your questions.
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      @ Gerv

      Would you mind if i could contact you on skype as im still confused about something. If not i can just ask it in this thread.

      Regards,

      Bulldog

      *EDIT* Don't worry about it now Gerv. I've just had a Eureka moment and finally figured the calculations out :D . Thankyou for all your previous help. It was very much appreciated.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Sure add me :)
    • ysessa
      ysessa
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      thanks gerv, btw dont forget the backdoor straight^^ 1 out