Do I running bad do the variance or Im not made for the poker anymore? ... or, Im tilting by now?

    • kiromanAAKK
      kiromanAAKK
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      Hi Guys,

      Im having a mental breakdown as I do not feel Im beating the level ...
      Since Im back in the business, I find difficult to move up but Im not sure if it is a downswing or Im incapacitated to play poker well anymore

      I have done now around 40K hands and the results are far away where I thought (dreamed by now) to be

      Bell ring, when monster hands like AA and KK cracked on regular basis plus feels like villain close up the point always and often from behind

      Is it that normal, may be a bit of downswing and because that its normal or Im done with the poker as it is far off my capacity?

      I mean, what the math say at this point, "keep going its normal and that's the way?!" or "things are gone far-off you Kiroman give up it is not your matter anymore?!"

      or, Im tilting a bit now? Please, any advice at this stage may helps a lot ...



      For example, here on the river I said to my self, done with the hand and bet even if I know I done, seems tilting stage right?

      Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
      UTG: $4.94 (247 bb)
      MP: $3.04 (152 bb)
      CO: $3.86 (193 bb)
      BTN: $1.08 (54 bb)
      SB: $5.87 (293.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
      3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds

      Flop: ($0.26) 3 3 Q (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.18, BTN calls $0.18

      Turn: ($0.62) 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

      River: ($1.42) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.71, BTN calls $0.38 and is all-in

      Results:
      $2.18 pot ($0.10 rake)
      Final Board: 3 3 Q 5 A
      Hero showed K K and won $0.00 (-$1.08 net)
      BTN showed Q A and won $2.08 ($1 net)


      but unfortunately, it is over and over again... would it stop eventually one day?



      Thx to any1 spend a minute to see clear in this mess, TY :)
  • 13 replies
    • Lazza61
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      Hey Kiroman,

      No. You are not having a mental breakdown.
      Yes. You're not beating the level.
      No. You're not in a downswing.
      Yes. You are incapacitated.

      Now to explain myself. When we learn to play poker, we start to become ingrained in our habits of play. As we move up the limits, these ingrained habits start to become less profitable as the standard of villain becomes better.

      The answer is to get coaching. If you are already getting coaching, then get rid off him because it's not working. Different coaches work well for different people.

      Pleno1 is the nutz. but that doesn't necessarily mean that he could make you improve. You need to find a coach who can help you with your style of play and one who you can connect with.

      In recent months I have had to do a full analysis of the mental side of my game, because I believe my problems stem not from my overall play (which is fairly solid), but from mental issues regarding in particularly bad beats which tend to affect me further down the track by discouraging me from making +Ev plays because I fear being sucked out.

      Whatever you do, don't give up. You have the best Poker school and the best community to help you through this.

      Keep your chin up

      Laz
    • DrDunne
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      hey kiro. i dont understand - you have 20BI in 40k hands, thats ok isnt it? i don't think AA and KK getting cracked is the issue tbh, i think the issue is expecting something. forget about results and just think about the game. play your best, post hands for evaluation and make notes on stuff. just study study study and question everything and stop expecting bad things to stop happening.

      people have a tendency to underestimate the likelihood of runs of results, and in your case you are underestimating the likelihood of a run of bad results. it really does suck to run into shit the whole time but as long as you make the correct decisions then you will be fine overall and you should progress. in the hand you posted, betting on the river is not the correct decision unless you think he'll call with Qx hands. it means you have leaks, mental or strategic, which should be addressed.

      and whether or not you are beating the level depends on your definition of beating. >0bb/100 is beating the level so as long as you are in profit then things are ok right
    • pockettones
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      Just keep posting hands you have trouble with, always look to improve your game and dont worry about results, just focus on good decisions (you cant really control results, pros can go break even or lose money playing a strong game over 100k hand stretches because of the toughness of their games). You seem to be a slightly winning player, could be you have had some bad variance but there is always room to improve no matter what stakes you are playing,
    • kiromanAAKK
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      Last night another 2 final tables on 4 MTTs played ...
      I have almost build my roll out freerolls, except for the starting capital given in the begin by Pokerdtrategy.com, I haven't never use my own money to play any poker and build everything from play freerolls almost and by now I'm rolled to play at least NL 10, plus spend large amount in real life
      So, I should not to be that bad, right
      (Or maybe I'm just a freeroll specialist due the fields there that aren't too good, eh?!)

      Thanks guys, I really think my mindset is the key here and maybe, what I need is a lot of trust in my self and confidence build ...

      Btw, close a bit the ranges (despite the 6 max format) and the bleeding seem stopped for now (hope really last)

      Thanks guys for all your support, very appreciate,
      I will keep this thread open for update :)
    • kiromanAAKK
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      @Lazza: I don't think you like me too much ... suicide attempted after read your words ...

      I'm kidding ofc ... the 4 your thoughts :)
    • tukioppilas62
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      Your redline is terrible. Maybe you should post your stats. My redline became much better when I started to realy think on spots and not just blindly c-bet everything.
    • Lazza61
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      Originally posted by kiromanAAKK
      @Lazza: I don't think you like me too much ... suicide attempted after read your words ...

      I'm kidding ofc ... the 4 your thoughts :)
      I like everybody :)
    • pockettones
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      Originally posted by tukioppilas62
      Your redline is terrible. Maybe you should post your stats. My redline became much better when I started to realy think on spots and not just blindly c-bet everything.
      Red line doesn't matter, all that matters in green line. Red line goes up when you are able to pressure opponents into folding, and guess what? Most players on 2NL are call stations so gl having a positive red line with a positive green line. THey wont fold so just value bet value bet value bet.
    • tukioppilas62
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      "Red line goes up when you are able to pressure opponents into folding" - It goes if you succeed on that. If you c-bet like 80% of flops OOP without understanding how a certain type of flop hits villains range, how wide he floats etc. and then just giving up on turn the redline goes down terribly.

      On nl2 fishes call everything but there are also regs who play 10/11. Against regs you should play whole differently than against the fish. Btw did I said somewhere that the op should have a positive redline?
    • pockettones
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      Players super tight preflop can still make heaps of bad calls postflop, and yes you need to adjust play vs different players I just think vast majority of nl2 players including tight regs will overplay marginal hands. True you did not say he needed a positive red line. I'm just saying redline doesn't matter as long as you are winning money, all about getting max win rate and a lot of the time that requires negative red line especially in micros
    • kiromanAAKK
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      Originally posted by pockettones
      Red line doesn't matter, all that matters in green line. Red line goes up when you are able to pressure opponents into folding, and guess what? Most players on 2NL are call stations so gl having a positive red line with a positive green line. THey wont fold so just value bet value bet value bet.
      I strongly agree with that!
      At list, that's what I have learned on the tables I playing ...

      Starting bet for value with your hand (TP, 2P, Sets, etc.) until villain, that's keeping call ofc all long the streets, finally end up by closing his draw eventually and that happen often unfortunately (but not always btw)








      Thx a lot guys, Godbless you :)
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      hey, having similar problem with my NL25, it looks like I am forever at it :D

      as some recommends coaches, its of course ok, but since you play NL2, I dont think you need to invest money in coaching, cause its expensive comparing to the limit. Maybe for like leak finding where you should focus.

      But I can recommend really to find a guy on skype to regularly discuss hands. I am not the best but I believe I would beat NL2 so we can discuss sometimes if you want, havent seen you on skype long time. I myself dont have too much time but sometimes would find.

      For example currently I am having one guy who looks like crushing NL10 this month - he is retic77 on stars and he teaches me lot of various htings, where often its hardly to understand and looks like he teaches bit different from coaches, for example he says that cbet 55 % on flop is good and I never heard from coaches that this is good esp on low limits.
      But I think I really get lot of value from his thinkings and it does not cost. And also someitmes when I dont agree, I ask coahces about hand, and someitmes he starts to agree, so he learns also.

      And retic77 says what really makes sense. When I thought I was ok at flop cbets, he said I make many mistakes at flop cbeting and not understanding. And so no need to learn other things untill I learn flop play, becuase its one of the most important - we are in that situation very often, also if we make mistake on flop, we face harder decitions on turn. If we fix flop play, then automatically we enter turn with better ranges, so its easier to play.

      ANd about hand posting - its good but I think its not enough. I think we also need some theory. I was myself posting lot of hands over that time but repeating same mistakes becuase of not fully understanding things. Now putting more time for theory and then we will see does that work for me or not :)
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      about the hand - I dont think its bad. He dos not have many aces and has many Qx. So for that amount - he gets very good odds and practicaly never folds Qx. Yea somtiems he has hit the 2 pair - whatever.