[NL20-NL50] NL50 SH: JTs in BB, decent flop 3way

    • Diedobal
      Diedobal
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      $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
      6 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($50.00)
      UTG+1 ($50.00) 18/16/2.5
      CO ($52.00)
      BTN ($50.75) 22/16/1.5
      SB ($50.25)
      Hero ($60.35)

      Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB T:spade: J:spade:
      1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50

      Flop: J:diamond: Q:spade: 5:spade: ($6.25, 3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $5, BTN raises to $14, Hero ??

      Raise?
      Call?
      Fold and look for a better spot?
  • 7 replies
    • AhmedFaraz
      AhmedFaraz
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      if that Q was 9 of spades.. i think i insta shove here... just cuz its a cash game and im a fish.
    • Solomaextra
      Solomaextra
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      BTN is not really agressive if sample size is ok(1.5 factor), so your outs are probably only spades, or he's himself on nutflushdraw+gutshot or even better flushdraw + straight draw, fold.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      I think you can fold here.
      BU probably has QJ or 55 and you get it all-in way behind
      With that strong draw I like to go lead out and when raised then shove.
    • srohack
      srohack
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      hi
      calling preflop is bad and usualy is not profitable .
      this is the kind of flop you wanna hit with this kind of hand and get the money in
      but with this action you are behind to some two pair like qj , a set or some a :spade: j :spade: hand that hes not folding to a shove
      this isnt a good board to cbet 3 way but utg steel does it and btn raises so this is a sign of high strenght

      you have to options : fold or shove because calling comits you anyway


      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      29,700 games 0.005 secs 5,940,000 games/sec

      Board: Qs Jd 5s
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 47.426% 47.42% 00.01% 14084 1.50 { JsTs }
      Hand 1: 52.574% 52.57% 00.01% 15613 1.50 { JJ, 55, AsKs, AcQc, AdQd, AhQh, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As4s, As3s, As2s, QJs, AcQd, AcQh, AdQc, AdQh, AhQc, AhQd, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh, QJo }

      if i have the range corectly it is profitable to check/shove because you generate lots of fold equity
      pls corect my range and stoving because i am at school and didnt have too much time :)
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Since you have T :spade: and J :spade: then UTG and BU can´t have these hands. BU could have A high flushdraw, but I still think that he probably has two pair or set and you don´t have enough fold equity if you shove. Better is just fold.
    • Diedobal
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      @srohack why do you thing calling TJs in this spot PF is wrong? If you only call pocketpairs or AJ+ there you do narrow your range too much, dont you?

      Folded the flop for the reasons mentioned. Just wanted to get confirmation :)

      If the brings J85 with 8&5 of spades, what is the best action then? Shove? Call the 14$ raise and decide on turn, if UTG+1 doesnt shove flop?
    • srohack
      srohack
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      is not terrible taking into account that you have another caller but you dont flop often enough to make this profitable and a lot of times you will get in a spot with
      top pair where you will be facing 3 barrels and wont know what to do with your hand or you will get in a spot like this one where shoving and folding is close but you will have to fold most of the times