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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Balltas: 19.02.2014 14:31.
and call his all-in after this. Thats the plan
1) the fish could have quads or QJ but thats higly unlikelly - we loose in this case.
2) He would have Qx in most cases that would be a split. - we spit so its irelevant if we call or raise if he has this.
3) He could have a busted flush too - min raise to induse him into insane bluff all-in raise.
Its a Call because we have almost the best possible hand, the only two hands that beat us is 88 or QJ but since there is a chance that the villain has one of these hands we just call. As it's said he is a fish so maybe he overbets because he didn't hit his flush draw and now is trying to represent a hand like ours a Q or maybe an 8 and hopes we have something like AA or KK hero bet small on the river 1/3 of the pot which could make an impression that we are weak to him and he's trying to push us of the pot that way
Well, against this type of fish I would call. Even tighter fish can think his 8 is good here and "value min check-raise" it, but he can still fold to our shove (he has still 72$ behind), since we have read that he is not total donkey. His range is full of splits / some QJ's, so I see no need to shove here.
Against more loose/aggressive fish I would shove, or if we have read he overplays his hands (here, can't get rid of his 8 after min-cr).
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by PokerPPP: 20.02.2014 08:12.
Call for the split, would have folded if he wasn't a fish as it seems that he has a monster hand and is letting us do the betting for him. Provided that he is a fish, he could be doing this with A8 for example, but it's mostly Qx hands that we split pot against.
Edit: He could even have JJ that he decided to flat pre with. He could have decided to go for the c/r on the river instead of the turn, even when the river is an unfortunate card.
So final answer is call as we only lose to JQ and 88 and we beat all FD/SD hands, split against Qx and beat 8x and JJ hands. We'll split here most of the time and I don't think we should contribute more rake by rasing ( or put ourselves in a difficult situation facing a reshove )
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by benaars: 21.02.2014 07:52.
I think in this case we have to call. We do have a very strong hand and there are very few hands that beat us. I think that re-raising has no point, since he will only call/re raise with the hands we either split or loose against. So call ofc.
Auto-excluding fold, only 2 hands (2 combos!!!) beat us, and villain is a fish.
Given it's a fit or fold fish, from my experience these ones can fold even when super committed, and in this case we are even deep, or almost.
So I don't see value in a raise as I believe an 8 will fold and we split vs other queens.
This post has been edited 3 time(s), it was last edited by whentheclouds: 21.02.2014 00:47.
He's fit or fold, so he had something postflop and he definitely has something after the river. If he had pocket 8s, he would have had a full house and the draws wouldn't have scared him. I see no reason why he wouldn't have raised.
Pocket 8s and QJ are the only hand that beat us. He more likely had an 8 or a Q. He flopped good with a Q and OK with an 8, but there were draws and the passive fish decided to just check and call to be safe, all the way to the river. After he saw the full house on the turn, he thought his full house was gold and shoved. So any Q is the most likely, including QJ. We call.
Call, and just call. Even though he is a fisch there is only an 8 that we can rasie for value and its not even sure he will call with an 8 if we shove. I shove would only result in a split pott VS another Q or we loose more money against JJ or QJ. Putting JJ in his range even though he didnt 3b pf since he is a fisch and probably dont 3b these hands when he dont know what to do post flop OP with flopped overcards to the J.