4betpott vs tight reg

    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
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      A tight reg flatting our 4bet OOP and hes range when he does this for me is pretty mush only KK sometimes maybe AK but i did have a note said that he was 5beting AKo more than calling it. So is this hand good played by me? is my 4bet sizing bad?

      EDIT: This is NL70$ (curency wrong)
      $2.50/$5 No Limit Holdem
      10 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG stttNNN ($500.32) 100bb
      UTG+1 MaRtIn_10 ($1,307.32) 261bb
      UTG+2 sigges888 ($1,167.24) 233bb
      MP1 bonzo90 ($503.38) 101bb
      MP2 kevzta ($779.78) 156bb
      MP3 kuloman ($299.19) 60bb
      CO fox-unit ($807.05) 161bb
      BTN PgUp ($409.93) 82bb
      SB perstorp ($559.20) 112bb
      BB Floodman50 ($673.70) 135bb

      Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 10 players) stttNNN is UTG A:club: A:diamond:
      stttNNN raises to $17.50, 7 folds, perstorp calls $15, Floodman50 raises to $70, stttNNN raises to $145, perstorp folds, Floodman50 calls $75

      Flop: 7:heart: 3:club: K:spade: ($307.50, 2 players)
      Floodman50 checks, stttNNN checks

      Turn: 9:spade: ($299.82, 2 players)
      Floodman50 bets $130, stttNNN folds

      Final Pot: $169.82
      stttNNN shows
      A:club: A:diamond:

      Floodman50 wins $429.82 (net +$224.82)

      perstorp lost $15
      stttNNN lost $162.50
  • 20 replies
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Get it in, especially with AA in 4bet pot. If he has KK, you were deemed to stack off vs that hand anyway. He could have bunch of other hands like KQ, AJ :spade: :spade: ... So he doesn't have only KK here. He still might have AK in such spot even though you block it very much.

      IMO bet flop, bet turn, shove river.

      Maybe I am wrong, because I don't play full-ring but this just how I think.

      GL.
    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
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      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      Get it in, especially with AA in 4bet pot. If he has KK, you were deemed to stack off vs that hand anyway. He could have bunch of other hands like KQ, AJ :spade: :spade: ... So he doesn't have only KK here. He still might have AK in such spot even though you block it very much.

      IMO bet flop, bet turn, shove river.

      Maybe I am wrong, because I don't play full-ring but this just how I think.

      GL.
      I know its std to go bet bet bet SH HU but this is fullring and this player is reely tight.. i might have gone for the calling turn thing and try to chk down or bet when he skip barrel Xx rivs..
    • Saren113
      Saren113
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      Dafuq? More combos of AK then of KK so stack off. And btw I don't belive that anyone likes playing KK oop just for the record.
    • lnternet
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    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
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      Originally posted by lnternet
      LOL :f_biggrin:

      well I did do a misstake maybe.. Im fishy. :f_love:
    • metza
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      Why no stats?

      You'd need a huuuuuge sample size to know for sure that his range here is KK+ which it needs to be to make the fold.
    • booomm
      booomm
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      You fold AA on a K high dry board on a 4b pot and you call him a nit :D ?
    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
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      Originally posted by metza
      Why no stats?

      You'd need a huuuuuge sample size to know for sure that his range here is KK+ which it needs to be to make the fold.
      yes and I have a huge sampel size on this guy. but well i did do a misstake here and will not do it again.
    • Pkrpains
      Pkrpains
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      Just played a similar hand and thought it would be interesting to share here.

      How about this spot:


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($50)
      BB ($62.70)
      UTG ($51.10)
      UTG+1 ($58.05)
      CO ($144)
      Hero ($79.86)

      Dealt to Hero A:diamond: A:heart:

      fold, fold, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, fold, fold, CO calls $3.50

      FLOP ($10.75) 7:spade: K:spade: 2:diamond:

      CO checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

      TURN ($24.75) 7:spade: K:spade: 2:diamond: 5:club:

      CO checks, Hero bets $15.50, CO raises to $31, Hero folds

      CO wins $53.25



      villain 17/14/1,4 AF/25 fold to 3bet in 500 hands, no relevant reads.

      I mean, this has to be 22 or 77. Is he ever bluffing like that? Can't imagine. AK, imo, just calls down 99% of the time.

      So another nitty fold or actually a good play?
    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
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      WP imo. if u dont have any reads or something else I think it is std fold there :P
    • unshpe
      unshpe
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      So why did you show it? :f_confused:
    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
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      @stttNNN

      Why don't you try to post in the NL$2 (or, in your case, less) forums instead? Not trying to be mean, but you belong in "playmoney forum" rather than the "Advanced NL forum".

      You've cost me a lot of time (though one of your stupid folds sparked an interesting discussion over at here: should i go for the set mine in this spot?). This makes me an idiot, but that's okay, because I am and idiot.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Please try to keep the discussion positive.

      If you don't think a question is worth asking, by all means feel free not to answer it.

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
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      He has been posting very similar hands in multiple threads here. They should be posted in the hand evaluation forums. This section is for advanced discussions. I feel he is abusing the "right to post", perhaps to come around limitations on the number of hand evaluations per month.
    • Hackett77
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      Flop check is good.

      No real reason to bet here. Your going to stack AK anyway (more likely with flop check, less likely with B/B/B) and this line gets you at least 1 street from QQ and can get away (depending on stack depth) when he has KK.

      I don't really understand the hand history or the stack sizes but if your 100Bbs deep then im calling down always. 200bs deep I probably find a fold on the river.


      You say he is a tight reg so has KK like always but stats don't tell you the whole picture (very little in fact - so many people overuse and misuse their HUD)

      You have to take gameflow and stack depth into account also, is he currently winning/losing, over the session and over the immediate short term? what is the recent/overall dynamic between the two of you. These factors will alter his 4b call range, especially as its a min b4 but again i don't understand the stacks sizes etc in this hand so its hard to really make any comments regarding stack depth and sizings.
    • ZhiCheng
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      Nits, Nits everywhere
    • Hackett77
      Hackett77
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      ^^^

      This is a full ring hand, the mystical realm where folding bottom set becomes normal :)
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Originally posted by YohanN7
      He has been posting very similar hands in multiple threads here. They should be posted in the hand evaluation forums. This section is for advanced discussions. I feel he is abusing the "right to post", perhaps to come around limitations on the number of hand evaluations per month.
      You must be on huge tilt.
    • ETBrooD
      ETBrooD
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      Well, just 5 combos of AK are needed in order for this to be a profitable bet, bet, bet spot. We can of course chB, call, call if we think villain is the kind of NIT who frequently folds TPTK to a 2nd barrel.
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