[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR: 22 slowplay OK?

    • timukasr
      timukasr
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      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP2 ($126.45)
      Hero (CO) ($79.95)
      Button ($41.15)
      SB ($50)
      BB ($37.05) - no DATA
      UTG ($28.30) 12 / 8 / 5.0 / WTSD 26 / 120 hands
      UTG+1 ($58.70)
      MP1 ($53.70)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2
      UTG raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

      Flop: ($4.75) 9, 2, K (3 players)
      BB bets $0.50, UTG raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3

      Turn: ($15.25) 3 (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50, BB raises to $17, 1 fold, Hero raises to $34, BB calls $15.05 (All-In)

      River: ($87.85) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $87.85 | Rake: $3

      Board is extremely dry and BB and UTG are midstacks, no need to scare them away?
  • 9 replies
    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      Joined: 27.07.2008 Posts: 4,494
      Don't call pf. You don't have any playability and not so good implied odds.

      As played. Call is good (trying BB to invest more money)
      The turn is a good play to. The 3 :spade: is not so scary so let the bluff and put more money in the pot with TPGK.

      Nice hand, sir

      Best regards,
      kukkiwon_BG
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      preflop call is fine, even against someone who isn't as tight.

      if it were a 4BB raise, it might be close.

      22 has good playability and very good implied odds.
    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      First of all UTG is a mid stack so you don't have the implied odds (you don't know that BB is calling.)
      Second you don't have any chance of winning this pot if you don't hit.
    • silent21
      silent21
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      Joined: 08.08.2008 Posts: 1,556
      Originally posted by kukkiwonBG
      First of all UTG is a mid stack so you don't have the implied odds (you don't know that BB is calling.)
      Second you don't have any chance of winning this pot if you don't hit.
      so what? if so explain me where is the difference calling raises with 22 or 55 ?
      you cannot win everyhand, but without playing at least to see flop what can u achieve?
      raise is 1.50 and URG got 28.50 so according to the 20x rule having in mind he is IP of the raiser he could call.
    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      Originally posted by silent21

      you cannot win everyhand, but without playing at least to see flop what can u achieve?
      From now on I'm starting to have VPIP of 100
      Seeing flop seem important...
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by kukkiwonBG
      First of all UTG is a mid stack so you don't have the implied odds (you don't know that BB is calling.)
      Second you don't have any chance of winning this pot if you don't hit.
      no

      Hero has to call 3BB to win a potential 56BB. Hero is in position. against an unknown opponent this is a profitable call for set value.

      In addition to this, villain is UTG, and villain's stats are tight, so that villain UTG raising range will be very tight, which improves your implied odds, as villain will very often have a hand that he is willing to go broke with but is worse than yours when you hit a set.

      Even if we knew BB was calling, this wouldn't really be relevant, as BB will very often have hands that we have zero implied odds against, namely low pocket pairs. We even have reverse implied odds against those.
    • Tosh5457
      Tosh5457
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      yea whats the problem of calling for set value here? a 12/8 raised from UTG and we have implied odds of almost 20:1, whats the problem? and IP it's even more EV+, if you float/raise good flops.
    • HoofdVogel
      HoofdVogel
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      preflop call is good,
      flop slowplay is very attractive here but you must hold in mind that turnraises are often very strong and most of the players know this, but because of the midstackopponents its good to slowplay;
      Were they fullstacked then you had to reraise the flop.

      I probably slowplayed here the turn also and get his stack in on the river.


      Nh.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I also like pre-flop call. 3bb is not that much and you can sometimes take pot down if player check to you and since you´re ip you could sometimes raise on 456 board if player leads into you or float him on dry flops.
      Postflop game is fine.