Help me beat the microstakes

    • Balonger93
      Balonger93
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      Okay, so I'll have to admit that I'm terrible. I'm having a hugely negative BB/100 at NL2 so I can't be any better than the fish out there :f_cry:

      Here are some of my stats:


      I know it's not an excuse, but here's a reason I went on tilt:


      This one was especially ugly:
      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $2.10 (105 bb)
      Hero (BB): $9.53 (476.5 bb)
      UTG: $5.85 (292.5 bb)
      MP: $1.79 (89.5 bb)
      CO: $1.51 (75.5 bb)
      BTN: $0.80 (40 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.18, CO raises to $0.34, SB raises to $2.10 and is all-in, Hero raises to $3.86, CO calls $1.17 and is all-in

      Flop: ($5.71) 8 4 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($5.71) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($5.71) 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results:
      $5.71 pot ($0.20 rake)
      Final Board: 8 4 3 2 3
      SB showed K A and lost (-$2.10 net)
      Hero showed A A and won $1.14 (-$0.96 net)
      CO showed A K and won $4.37 ($2.86 net)


      I think I need to mature as a poker player to just not care about these kinds of hands. Can anyone tell me what the ABC stats of a poker player should be, and how I can make a more detailed report in HM2?

      Any general advice on improving? Suggested articles/books/videos? I'm pretty enthusiastic, so tell me anything ;)

      What I notice that when I'm playing my A game, I'm running pretty well....until I hit stuff like my full house getting beaten by a bigger full house, my set getting beaten by oversets, or my KK on a 227 board getting beaten by a 22 poker. So the two main things I need to improve on are tilt, and handling sets+ kinds of hands I guess. I almost never win whole stacks with these types of hands, but lose full stacks quite often. Especially OOP.
  • 13 replies
    • jackwilder077
      jackwilder077
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      the best advice to you IS :

      the Sample Size is very Low ,8K hands is nothing in poker even the best player in the world can drop 10 BIs at Nl2 in 20 K hands...
      100K hands is the smallest Sample to make a small assumption about your play ..

      your style 20/18 is obviously is not a fish style..your states looks good..
      remember tight is right and try to spew as less as possible cause you will spew ;) .. learn the game step by step ..and enjoy this Journey :)

      GL !
    • Balonger93
      Balonger93
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      Can you tell me how to check my stats in HM2 in a more extensive fashion? Like a positional breakdown of RFI, ATS, and F2ST, cbet, 2nd barrel stuff like these? I would also appreciate if you could send a picture of a standard good reg's stats(not some crazy NL400-1k player's stats whose style is not ideal for beginners)

      I'm pretty happy with my overall VPIP/PFR, but I think my cbet of 70+% seems pretty bad for example. I've been trying to cut down on it, it's more like 65% now, which pushed down the avarage from 85%.

      EDIT: I heard your red line should be pretty bad while your green line really good at micros. I'm doing something wrong right?



      Maybe I'm defending my blinds too loose for someone who's not being good enough to play OOP? I try to avoid playing from the blinds, I 3bet 100% of the hands I do play from SB, never flat from there, but still get into quite a lot of pots OOP.
    • mesisification
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      Your sample size is WAY too small for anyone to tell anything useful based on that sample.

      There are some videos about variance here in pokerstrategy, I suggest you to watch some of those videos so that you get a better understanding about variance and how it works. W34z3l made a video about mindset recently, I recommend that one.

      And your question about red line: again, 8k hands is not even nearly enough hands to analyse whether your making a mistake or not. Your red line might still be going down after a bigger sample.
    • mesisification
      mesisification
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      Originally posted by jackwilder077
      the best advice to you IS :

      the Sample Size is very Low ,8K hands is nothing in poker even the best player in the world can drop 10 BIs at Nl2 in 20 K hands...
      100K hands is the smallest Sample to make a small assumption about your play ..

      your style 20/18 is obviously is not a fish style..your states looks good..
      remember tight is right and try to spew as less as possible cause you will spew ;) .. learn the game step by step ..and enjoy this Journey :)

      GL !
      And I agree with this comment. I'm pretty sure that you're a lot better than the fish out there. Trust me on this one. :D
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      you cbet too much
      I bet you cbet e.g. QT on KTx and stuff

      flop AIEV seems rly low - vs fish it should be well above 50% - perhaps you stack off too light on flops (might lead from too high cbets?)

      39% W@sd means you run bad for sure tho, keep trucking
    • booomm
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      Flop AIEV is so low, you are doing something wrong or running insanely bad (coolers etc) wtsd is too low coupled with high AF, that's prob because you are too agressive and betting too big on spots where you should betting 1/2 pot OTR to get called light for example, or you are getting bluffed too often on rivers mostly.
      sample size is tiny and all this could be just variance imo, play 50k hands at least and then you could spot your leaks.
      oh and post stats by position (leak buster - position report on HEM2)
    • Balonger93
      Balonger93
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      Your sample size is WAY too small for anyone to tell anything useful based on that sample.

      There are some videos about variance here in pokerstrategy, I suggest you to watch some of those videos so that you get a better understanding about variance and how it works. W34z3l made a video about mindset recently, I recommend that one.

      And your question about red line: again, 8k hands is not even nearly enough hands to analyse whether your making a mistake or not. Your red line might still be going down after a bigger sample.


      I guess I should, I was thinking a half-decent player should be able to crush nl2 with 10+BB/100 with little variance over 8-10k hands. I'll also have to admit that I lost a few hundred BBs because of tilt.

      you cbet too much
      I bet you cbet e.g. QT on KTx and stuff

      flop AIEV seems rly low - vs fish it should be well above 50% - perhaps you stack off too light on flops (might lead from too high cbets?)

      39% W@sd means you run bad for sure tho, keep trucking


      Yes, I'm looking for these kinds of stuff, thanks for the advice :) And I know my cbet rate was ridiculous, I've been working on toning it down, but when I have KK in the blinds for example, and 3bet someone, board shows Axx, then my usual plan is bet, bet/fold. If I'm the BTN, I usually auto-cbet boards like Axxr or Kxxr HU where the other cards are not broadways.


      Flop AIEV is so low, you are doing something wrong or running insanely bad (coolers etc) wtsd is too low coupled with high AF, that's prob because you are too agressive and betting too big on spots where you should betting 1/2 pot OTR to get called light for example, or you are getting bluffed too often on rivers mostly.
      sample size is tiny and all this could be just variance imo, play 50k hands at least and then you could spot your leaks.
      oh and post stats by position (leak buster - position report on HEM2)


      I don't have leakbuster purchased, is there any way to get reports in HM2/any other free software? I usually make my bets 2/3 pot for value or more, I guess I'll make it 1/2 pot now on dry boards, but I read somewhere that fish will put in their money if they decide to regardless whether I bet 5.5BB or 7.5BB blinds into a 10BB pot.

      Thanks for all the advice guys, it really helps a lot :f_p:
      Keep them coming!

      EDIT: just finished a morning session, finally winning a bit ^^


      I lost 2 stacks going all-in with QQ as you can see, I don't know if I'm overplaying them or not. I'll post them later, gotta go to school now though. I also noticed that my vpip pfr went down to 17/15 this session, while my cbet was 50%. I don't know whether it's just variance/less limpers in the morning/me tightening up, but being a bit at NL2 seems correct.

      Again, thanks for all the tips :f_love:
    • mesisification
      mesisification
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      Originally posted by Balonger93
      I guess I should, I was thinking a half-decent player should be able to crush nl2 with 10+BB/100 with little variance over 8-10k hands. I'll also have to admit that I lost a few hundred BBs because of tilt.
      Yeah, this is not true. Phil Ivey could lose playing NL2 after 8k hands. By not understanding variance properly your setting bad goals for yourself. For example winning at NL2 with 10bb/100 winrate over 8k hands is a really bad goal because of the variance. You could play really well over that 8k hands and still lose.

      I'd suggest you to start make non-monetary goals such as "playing 2k hands in a day or reviewing 5 hands in a day etc." I really don't like monetary goals, atleast not in the short term.
    • Balonger93
      Balonger93
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      Rant:

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $1.94 (97 bb)
      BB: $2 (100 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $2.03 (101.5 bb)
      MP: $0.92 (46 bb)
      CO: $5.76 (288 bb)
      BTN: $1.88 (94 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
      Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO calls $0.06, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.76, CO folds, BB raises to $2 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.24

      Flop: ($4.07) A 3 A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: ($4.07) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($4.07) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $4.07 pot ($0.14 rake)
      Final Board: A 3 A Q 7
      BB showed Q Q and won $3.93 ($1.93 net)
      Hero showed K K and lost (-$2 net)



      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $2.72 (136 bb)
      BB: $3.05 (152.5 bb)
      UTG: $2.66 (133 bb)
      MP: $2.84 (142 bb)
      Hero (CO): $3.07 (153.5 bb)
      BTN: $2.01 (100.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.24, Hero raises to $0.72, BB calls $0.48

      Flop: ($1.45) 9 K 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.33 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.63

      Turn: ($6.11) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($6.11) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $6.11 pot ($0.21 rake)
      Final Board: 9 K 6 7 2
      BB showed K K and won $5.90 ($2.85 net)
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$3.05 net)


      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
      BB: $2.22 (111 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $2.14 (107 bb)
      MP: $2 (100 bb)
      CO: $1.80 (90 bb)
      BTN: $3.08 (154 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
      Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO calls $0.06, BTN raises to $0.27, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.14 and is all-in, CO folds, BTN calls $1.87

      Flop: ($4.37) 4 6 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: ($4.37) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($4.37) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $4.37 pot ($0.15 rake)
      Final Board: 4 6 6 2 9
      Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$2.14 net)
      BTN showed A A and won $4.22 ($2.08 net)



      Also had 2 more QQ all-ins lost T.T Gotta steam off
    • Balonger93
      Balonger93
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      To make it so that it's not just me b1tching:

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $2.04 (102 bb)
      BB: $3.68 (184 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $3.14 (157 bb)
      MP: $1.97 (98.5 bb)
      CO: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
      BTN: $8.40 (420 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with T T
      Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.19) 4 5 9 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.11, MP calls $0.11, BB raises to $0.52, Hero folds, MP calls $0.41

      Turn: ($1.34) K (2 players)
      BB bets $1.29, MP raises to $1.39 and is all-in, BB calls $0.10

      River: ($4.12) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $4.12 pot ($0.14 rake)
      Final Board: 4 5 9 K 3
      BB showed 9 7 and won $3.98 ($2.01 net)
      MP showed 6 6 and lost (-$1.97 net)


      Guess what they had. If you can guess their hands without opening the spoiler tag I'll give you a virtual cookie.

      The hand thanks to which I'm only down less than a BI today:

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $0.50 (25 bb)
      BB: $1.12 (56 bb)
      UTG: $2.27 (113.5 bb)
      MP: $4.12 (206 bb)
      CO: $3.20 (160 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5.20 (260 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
      UTG raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.18, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.57) 6 6 Q (3 players)
      UTG checks, CO bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, UTG folds

      Turn: ($1.41) 3 (2 players)
      CO bets $0.68, Hero calls $0.68

      River: ($2.77) T (2 players)
      CO bets $1.92 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.92

      Results:
      $6.61 pot ($0.23 rake)
      Final Board: 6 6 Q 3 T
      CO showed A Q and lost (-$3.20 net)
      Hero showed Q Q and won $6.38 ($3.18 net)


      It's nice to have the best hand when someone else has the 2nd best hand, and not the other way around for once ^^

      This will help me sleep better tonight:
    • booomm
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      actually it has nothing to do with leak buster, I don't have it either. just go to more reports -> leak buster -> leak buster- position.

      you should start a blog imo, it will help you alot.
    • Balonger93
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      actually it has nothing to do with leak buster, I don't have it either. just go to more reports -> leak buster -> leak buster- position.

      you should start a blog imo, it will help you alot.


      I'm going really off-topic here, ain't I. I'll start a blog and see how it goes :]
    • martinpadge27RNMD
      martinpadge27RNMD
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      all u have to do is know u got it in good and if u lose dont let it get to u its just variance it happens, play every hand like its the first hand. and yes u took a bad beat but things do change.