4bet like the pros

    • jackwilder077
      jackwilder077
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.09.2013 Posts: 1,124
      hey guys

      I want to open a discussion about the 4bet sizing ,what do you think the best sizing to 4bet on the biggish side (9bb to 22 bb)or on the smallish side like (9bb to 18-19 bb) what is better and why ? and vs who you want to bet big or small ?

      (for nl25-50 stakes)
      thanks
  • 5 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
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      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,923
      small ip large oop, also super large and value heavy vs fish. when you are oop its nice to try to put him in 5bet or fold mode
    • double2
      double2
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      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      You want to 4bet big against players that call 4bets and 4bet small against players who only go 5bet or fold.

      So, you're against a reg that 3bets you BU vs CO 8bbs into 3bbs. You know he is capable of calling 4bets, then you should make a 4bet closer to 20-22 bbs.

      Personally I call a bunch of 4bets on the blinds because people 4bet really small and let me make a profitable call (remember that when you fold the blind you're like -900bbs/100, so you only have to do better than this with the call on the 4bet.)
    • gAsheks
      gAsheks
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      Joined: 11.11.2012 Posts: 1,580
      Originally posted by double2
      You want to 4bet big against players that call 4bets and 4bet small against players who only go 5bet or fold.

      So, you're against a reg that 3bets you BU vs CO 8bbs into 3bbs. You know he is capable of calling 4bets, then you should make a 4bet closer to 20-22 bbs.

      Personally I call a bunch of 4bets on the blinds because people 4bet really small and let me make a profitable call (remember that when you fold the blind you're like -900bbs/100, so you only have to do better than this with the call on the 4bet.)
      On what limits they 4bet you small?
    • double2
      double2
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      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      Originally posted by gAsheks
      Originally posted by double2
      You want to 4bet big against players that call 4bets and 4bet small against players who only go 5bet or fold.

      So, you're against a reg that 3bets you BU vs CO 8bbs into 3bbs. You know he is capable of calling 4bets, then you should make a 4bet closer to 20-22 bbs.

      Personally I call a bunch of 4bets on the blinds because people 4bet really small and let me make a profitable call (remember that when you fold the blind you're like -900bbs/100, so you only have to do better than this with the call on the 4bet.)
      On what limits they 4bet you small?
      When I say small is like 18-20bbs 4bet versus 9bbs 3bet. Or 17-18bbs 4bet versus 8bb 3bet.

      I see this type of sizings on pretty much all limits. And they probably should make that sizing since people are not calling 4bets :)
    • getdotacom
      getdotacom
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      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 607
      I like very small 4betting IP. I usually make it to 17bb when facing 8-9bb 3bet. I really don't mind them calling it with A4s or some other random hand. OOP something like 2x 3bet + 1 or 2 bb extra is fine. Depends on sizing, I'd make it to 20-21 against 10bb 3bet, but against 8bb to 17-20 100bb effective. Probably it's better to go a little bit larger at nl25-50 because people will 3bet more top heavier range instead of polarized, so they will call much more than in higher stakes.