# How to do the math?

• Bronze
Joined: 19.03.2014
Hey guys
I've been playing poker for ~2-3 months now and tried applying what I've read so far.
Lately I've been losing one game after the other, though (I only play live games - Smallstake SnGs with 5-7 people at a time)

Part of this is because I keep pushing with my dead hands expecting a wonder or just simply not getting what I need with enough outs. Then I'm in with a relative low stack and from then on it just goes down (usually).

So I really wanna try and stick to the book, but I wonder how the ... am I supposed to do all this math in such a quick time? I can't take time with every hand I'm involved in - plus it's not working for me to play premium hands only since I let the others stack up (which later on becomes a problem) - especially when my premium hands miss the flop/turn/river and the other big stacks just keep pounding on my average size stack.

little note: usually the winner takes everything in our SnGs

So how do you deal with all that?
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• Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Joined: 02.09.2010
Hi, SRwtf,

Welcome to the forums!

Playing these sorts of games it helps to know the relative strength of hands, and what hands to raise from each position. That doesn't take math, so that's all good.

When you don't hit the flop, you need to be able to quickly assess how many outs you have.
There are articles for that, and again, no math.

Now the math part. If you know your two times table, you can quickly guesstimate your chances of hitting one of those outs on the next street.

Example:
If you have a flush draw on the flop, you have 9 outs. 9 x 2 = 18 so you have 18% chance of hitting on the turn. (BTW this is a v rough estimate).

If another player bets, then you need to compare the pot odds with your chance of winning.

18% is roughly 20%, so you need 4:1 (== 80:20) to go into the pot.

This leaves out semi-bluffing, implied odds and all the rest of it.

But that should be enough to be getting on with.

Best of luck,
--VS
• Coach
Coach
Joined: 09.07.2010
Instead of using times two approach, use "times teo plus two" and it will give you the correct odds. So 9 outs (flush draw) is 9x2 +2 =20.

At first the math looks impossible, but the more you just do it (especially outside tables) the better you become at it. And as with all skills, when you practise it enough it becomes automatic. Like you dont have to really think what 1+1 is. But when you were younger you struggled with it.
• Bronze
Joined: 19.03.2014