[NL20-NL50] Chasing draw

    • Tosh5457
      Joined: 18.01.2008 Posts: 3,062
      $0.1/$0.2 No Limit Holdem
      5 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      UTG akadas333 ($34.35)
      CO LamaXBG ($10.07)
      BTN Hero ($19.90)
      SB victorem ($12.21)
      BB Easyr84 ($20.24)

      Pre-flop: ($0.30, 5 players) Hero is BTN
      2 folds, [color:#272BA6]Hero raises to $0.80[/color], 1 fold, [color:#B93238]Easyr84 calls $0.60[/color]

      Flop: ($1.70, 2 players)
      Easyr84 checks, [color:#272BA6]Hero bets $1.20[/color], [color:#272BA6]Easyr84 raises to $2.65[/color], [color:#B93238]Hero calls $1.45[/color]

      Turn: ($7, 2 players)
      [color:#272BA6]Easyr84 bets $7[/color], [color:#B93238]Hero calls $7[/color]...

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      Could I call a pot-sized bet on the turn having this draw? I didnt even count the J outs, since his line is strong and looks like two pair/set, so I had 11 outs. I think its ok to count 2 outs for the others 7.

      Assuming he'd call my river shove if fdraw hits I had implied odds... But it just seems to be a mistake to call a potsized bet chasing a draw.

      And is it ok to raise pf on the BTN with 2 gappers - 1 gappers suited (i know this is a 3 gapper, but I find it kind of loose)? I usually dont when there are shortstacks, but always do against fullstacks/non-calling-station middlestacks.
  • 3 replies
    • Escientist
      Joined: 18.07.2007 Posts: 1,618
      Fold preflop, bad hand for a steal i think.

      Flop : call OK IP, you have no fold equity since he has clearly a strong hand -> call OK, with good implied odds.

      Turn : pot odds are 2 to 1, and hie has 10$ left after his bet. If you think you get all his stack on the river, your implied odds are 10 + 14 = 24 to 7, that is to say 3.5 to 1. I think he has at least 2 pairs so you have at most 7 outs for the flush - the A of club may give him a fullhouse i think -.

      -> your implied odds are not good enough for a call, so fold.
    • Tosh5457
      Joined: 18.01.2008 Posts: 3,062
      no, my implied odds are 21 (pot on the river if i call turn) + 9.45 (effective stack) = 30.45:7 = 4.2:1.

      Assuming he has AQ or A8 I got 8 outs (discounting A :club:) + 2 for the 7, which gives me 10 outs. Assuming he has 88 I got 8 outs, as the A :club: gives him a fullhouse. And I got reverse implied odds too, if a 7 came I'd probably call and he could beat me with a set.
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I would fold turn, player has here oftne set or two pair and if you hit your 7 or J would you fold to river shove?
      And can you be sure, that he isn' t making that play K high flushdraw and if you both miss and he shoves then you fold best hand and if you hit your flush, you would still loose :( .