The summer challenge lad

    • faronel
      faronel
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      I am not too much into blogging but I will try to improve myself over the time. Hence, right now a truly short personal intro:

      In poker: at this moment, I am a breakeven micro limit fish. Never moved beyond NL4. The main reason for that: lack of motivation to play. I like poker (the game and its theory), I like the idea of earning money if I did well over the time in poker but I just cannot find this motivation to grind poker consistently. I usually start playing again at some random period of time, often related to some promotion pending (like PokerSchool with Veriz back in the days or so) but after some time, the magic fades away. Well, the summer challenge is up. Here is another try! Realistically, I give myself until the end of this Summer Challenge. Ideally, maybe longer than that.

      Off poker: a simple lad. :)
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    • steesteestee
      steesteestee
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      I will follow. Good luck!
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Greetings, Stee!

      Sorry, there was not much to follow. It is like I said that I am not that much of a blogger. But for your consideration, here is some entertainment value for you:

      BadBeat

      Chuck Norris

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    • faronel
      faronel
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      Imho, the hand of the session. Left me pondering. Villain is a loose-aggressive fish with his bet sizing being off. Is hero's play correct? :f_confused:

      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: $3.82
      BB: $1.32
      UTG: $5.37
      Hero (CO): $4.06
      BTN: $3.80

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 9:club: K:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, SB raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.08

      Flop: ($0.44, 2 players) 4:heart: 9:heart: A:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.31, SB calls $0.31

      Turn: ($1.06, 2 players) K:diamond:
      SB bets $3.31 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.31

      River: ($7.68, 2 players) T:spade:
    • steesteestee
      steesteestee
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      I’d take an entirely different kind of line. I’d

      • not open raise k9o from cut-off but if I did (high SB/BB Fold Vs Steal %), I’d fold to any 3bets — e’en min.
      • check back flop and reevaluate turn.

      You are betting the flop with the intent of 1) getting your opponent to fold, 2) improving to two pair or trips. Your opponent did not fold on the flop but you improve to two pair on the turn. You mustn’t fold on the turn as played but the min-3bet preflop, check flop and donk shove turn is very AKish. We are most often behind unless the opponent is a real maniac.
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Thank you for your thoughts.

      I guess the whole issue is about turn. The stats on villain (him being loose-aggressive and showing sometimes marginal hands with his LAG tendencies) talked me into calling him down. Regardless of the outcome that happened, I think hero can invest money here only when hero has concrete reads or examples on villain move like this. Otherwise, it's pretty much gambling.
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Two hands of today's session. The first hand:

      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BTN): $5.04
      SB: $4.44
      BB: $4.00
      UTG: $8.85

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 9:heart: Q:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

      Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) Q:heart: 7:heart: J:heart:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

      Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) Q:diamond:
      BB bets $0.59, fold

      BB wins $0.59
      Villain is unknown. I tried to consider the river action here. If I call turn, then I call river. But I was not sure about my hands strength here.

      The other hand:

      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $4.06
      Hero (UTG): $5.17
      MP: $3.72
      CO: $4.54
      BTN: $4.00
      SB: $4.72

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A:diamond: A:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.08

      Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 6:spade: 8:diamond: T:club:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

      Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) 6:heart:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB raises to $2.03, Hero raises to $4.87 and is all-in, BB calls $1.73 and is all-in

      River: ($8.14, 2 players) 5:spade:


      BB shows J:spade: J:heart: (Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows A:diamond: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 81%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
      Hero wins $7.74

      played purely by villain's stats. VPIP 34/PFR 9; WTSD 29%, W$SD 30%, W$SD when bet/raise turn 30%. I figured I was expecting a call here from worse hands to make this push profitable in the long run.
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Since this blog is like a project blog (The summer challenge lad :f_p: ), it would be reasonable to account for my current progress.

      So, on 24th of July (1,5 weeks ago) I started all three missions.

      Mission's "Forum" objectives
      :spade: Create a blog and update it at least 10 times.
      - created and updated 6 times (including this post).
      :spade: Welcome a new player and share you story.
      - I actually welcomed two members but haven't yet shared my story.

      Mission's "Poker School" objectives
      :spade: 10 hands in discussion board (5 yours, 5 other players)
      - created five mine, discussed 7 hands of other players.
      :spade: tell us about your favorite video and why
      - didn't have status to view better videos, maybe with Silver I find something

      Mission's "Grind" objectives
      :spade: (cash) play 10,000 hands
      - with today's session I played 5232 hands.


      If I continue like that then in two weeks tops I will be done with all three missions.
    • FFRRAANNKKIIEE
      FFRRAANNKKIIEE
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      Nice challenge, glgl :)
    • faronel
      faronel
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      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $4.34
      MP: $3.46
      CO: $3.82
      BTN: $7.70
      SB: $4.00
      Hero (BB): $6.25

      SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 9:club: 9:diamond:

      fold, MP calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, BTN raises to $0.16, fold, Hero calls $0.12, MP calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.66, 4 players) 3:diamond: 8:diamond: 9:heart:

      So, hero has two options. To lead out and protect the hand or check with the intention to raise. Hero decides for the latter, since all the players are on average slightly more aggressive.
      Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.48, BTN raises to $1.00,

      Hero raises to $6.09 and is all-in
      C'mon, I know you want the action, BTN
      ,

      fold, fold, BTN calls $5.09 :s_love:

      Turn: ($13.32, 2 players) 5:diamond:

      River: ($13.32, 2 players) 6:spade:


      BTN shows T:diamond: A:diamond: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 47%, Flop 27%, Turn 77%)
      Hero mucks 9:club: 9:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 53%, Flop 73%, Turn 23%)
      BTN wins $12.66



    • faronel
      faronel
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      I guess the question is about hero's flop move. Is check/call with intention to let presumably unknown but fishy player bluff here the optimal option?

      Hero (BB): $4.00
      UTG: $2.06
      MP: $4.15
      CO: $7.05
      BTN: $4.30
      SB: $4.15

      SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K:spade: K:club:

      UTG calls $0.04, fold, CO raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, SB calls $0.14, Hero raises to $0.84, UTG calls $0.80, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: ($2.16, 2 players) J:heart: 3:spade: A:spade:
      Hero checks, UTG bets $1.22 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.22

      Turn: ($4.60, 2 players) T:heart:

      Nasty river card. Hero's optimal move? Fire up a third barrel or check in hope for a showdown value? Villain unknown.

      CO: $2.69
      BTN: $4.17
      Hero (SB): $6.06
      BB: $4.13
      UTG: $4.67
      MP: $1.29

      Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 8:heart: 9:heart:

      fold, fold, CO calls $0.04, fold, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.12, 3 players) 7:spade: 3:diamond: T:diamond:
      Hero bets $0.09, fold, CO raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.11

      Turn: ($0.52, 2 players) J:heart:
      Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

      River: ($1.52, 2 players) A:diamond:
      Hero checks, CO checks

      1. The optimal move would be to lead out to check where hero stands, however, as played, hero's move on turn? Fold as played? Can we call and re-evaluate? Villain unknown.

      UTG: $3.48
      CO: $4.00
      BTN: $6.91
      SB: $8.51
      Hero (BB): $4.00

      SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T:heart: 9:diamond:

      UTG calls $0.04, fold, BTN calls $0.04, fold, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.14, 3 players) 9:club: 8:club: T:club:
      Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, fold

      Turn: ($0.42, 2 players) A:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.36, fold

      BTN wins $0.40
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Today was a somewhat tough session. The reason for that is that somewhere during the middle of my session I noticed a villain who was targeting my play. Didn't know how to counter him/adjust my play against his but here are three hands I played against the villain and that left me pondering after the session.

      Villain's stats so far:
      VPIP 30/PFR 32 (200 hands)
      WTSD 38%/W$SD 68%
      3bet total 16%, 3bet EP 23%
      steal total 41%, blinds/LP 60-70%
      fold to cbet on flop 40%


      #1 HAND: JJ as over pair versus raise all-in on turn.
      UTG: $4.94
      BTN: $4.80
      SB: $2.76
      Hero (BB): $4.42

      SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J:heart: J:club:

      UTG raises to $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.34, 2 players) 8:heart: 6:heart: 2:club:
      Hero checks, UTG bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24

      Turn: ($0.82, 2 players) 2:heart:
      Hero bets $0.58, UTG raises to $4.54 and is all-in, fold

      UTG wins $1.89

      #2 HAND: 99 as 4bet bluff/fold
      Any thoughts regarding the 4bet?
      Post flop as played?

      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $5.31
      UTG: $3.92
      CO: $6.10
      BTN: $2.54
      Hero (SB): $4.00

      Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 9:diamond: 9:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.00, BB calls $0.60

      Flop: ($2.00, 2 players) 7:spade: 6:club: K:club:
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.42, fold

      BB wins $1.90

      #3 HAND: JJ as over pair versus 2/3pot-size donk bet turn
      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: $3.64
      BB: $5.19
      UTG: $7.45
      Hero (CO): $4.35
      BTN: $5.60

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J:club: J:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, BB calls $0.08

      Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 6:diamond: 7:heart: 3:heart:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

      Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) T:heart:
      BB bets $0.44, fold

      BB wins $0.59
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Another week is over and here is my progress so-far:

      Mission's "Forum" objectives
      :spade: Create a blog and update it at least 10 times.
      - done
      :spade: Welcome a new player and share you story.
      - done

      Mission's "Poker School" objectives
      :spade: 10 hands in discussion board (5 yours, 5 other players)
      - done
      :spade: tell us about your favorite video and why
      - Still pending, going to watch some videos today while grinding a few freerolls.

      Mission's "Grind" objectives
      :spade: (cash) play 10,000 hands
      - with today's session I played 7405 hands.
    • faronel
      faronel
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      I play at PartyPoker and there is this cash bonus for cash grinders - a mission called "Final hands". The objective of the mission is to win a hand at a showdown with all the combinations (except royal flush). The prize is $25. I only needed to hit the straight flush. Today I finally gut-shoted the one outer on river. :f_love:

      CO: $3.32
      Hero (BTN): $4.49
      SB: $4.00
      BB: $3.60
      UTG: $4.22

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 5:club: 6:club:

      fold, CO calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, fold, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.14, 3 players) 3:club: 7:club: K:spade:
      BB checks, CO bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, fold

      Turn: ($0.30, 2 players) K:diamond:
      CO bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

      River: ($0.46, 2 players) 4:club:
      CO bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16


      Obviously I played this hand by including the implied odds of my mission reward :f_biggrin: However, I am now approaching the bankroll needed for the next limit. This led me to some pondering and the question I have in mind is:

      When a player boosts his/her bankroll with a bonus clearance, can that player take a shot at a higher level, provided the basic rules of BR are followed when moving up? Or should the player retain to a very conservative BR management and grind the bankroll for the next level purely from the cash table profits?
    • FFRRAANNKKIIEE
      FFRRAANNKKIIEE
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      Nice question,

      I would say that it depends highly on which format you play, if you play a format for instance, where your prerakeback winnings are more significant than your rakeback profits, then I would suggest to shot new level only when you have enough $$ made prerakeback. (this would probably be the case most of the time, espesh on lower bi's of any format). Hpwever, if you play 30-60$ 6max hypers for instance, and majority of your income comes from the rakeback, and you make SNE playing these and earn over 100k in rakeback for that year. Even though you are maybe break even or even slightly losing prerakeback, it would be perfectly logical to shot 100's and make your life easier when shooting next year's SNE...

      I mean it's not really direct answer to your question, you asked about more short termed winnings (like FDB) but in theory that's the topic you wanted to talk about if I understood correctly? :)

      Kind regards,
      Fran
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Thank you for the reply, Frankie.

      You hit the question to the core with your answer. However, would you be so kind and elaborate on the idea why a player should grind out the BR for the next level from his/her table profits, in case of prerakeback winnings > rakeback bonuses?

      I understand that there is no straightforward answer to this one. Obviously in a scenario where a new NL2 player makes a lucky deep run in the bankroll booster freeroll and gets a decent BR for NL10, the argument against moving up is simple.

      However, what would be the main argument for not moving up for a player who is missing a few buy-ins for the next level but managed to slightly boost the roll with a bonus clearance? (I intentionally exclude the player's profile of being winning/BE/losing on his current level).
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Mental note: do not start a session when you are tilting. A discussion with a person I know got me somewhat emotional. I was still somewhat ruminating about the discussion I had but I decided to play poker, since I was planning to do that anyway.

      Result: -3BI (which is my stop-loss limit). :f_mad:
    • NutzAreOk
      NutzAreOk
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      That`s very important mental note and not just when you are tilted. Personally, I have started a session a way too many times when I have been too tired. Usually it has not end well.

      Points from stop-loss limit! :s_thumbsup:
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Kiitos, Nutz!

      Today, I am in a decent, poker-suitable mood. Let's see how that works out.
    • faronel
      faronel
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      Was away from poker for 5 days. Now back and with the progress report:

      Mission's "Forum" objectives
      :spade: Create a blog and update it at least 10 times.
      - done
      :spade: Welcome a new player and share you story.
      - done

      Mission's "Poker School" objectives
      :spade: 10 hands in discussion board (5 yours, 5 other players)
      - done
      :spade: tell us about your favorite video and why
      - Still pending, haven't decided yet.

      Mission's "Grind" objectives
      :spade: (cash) play 10,000 hands
      - done

      So, I am basically done with those challenges. To be honest, I signed up for this just in hope to get the PS goodie bag. :f_love: Hopefully, I luck box it.
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