Stealing from the button

    • pokernewbie28
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      I have alot of stats of regular players that are stealing from the button 50% to 60% at nl50/nl100 short hand.

      My thinking is that they must be stealing from the button with any 2 cards, because the chance to steal from the button must be about 50% as the pot has to be unopened.
      Is this correct assuming this ?

      Does any know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
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    • PerusJamppa
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      Att. steal% is calculated how often player will raise CO/BU/SB when the pot is unopened. So if their steal% is 50% it's 50% of hands.
    • AlvisR
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      no. If you have stat RFI from BU and it is 50 then he did RaISE first in 50% of given chance. So in this case he did raise first in every 2nd hand only.
    • UPAY4DINNER
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      Stealing is against the law
    • pokernewbie28
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      Originally posted by AlvisR
      no. If you have stat RFI from BU and it is 50 then he did RaISE first in 50% of given chance. So in this case he did raise first in every 2nd hand only.
      So a player with 50% steal from the button is basically stealing with any 2 cards ?

      And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
    • PerusJamppa
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      No, he is stealing with 50% of hands. Any2 would be 100%.

      EDIT: I have some old NL10-NL20 games in my database and pot has been unopened around 50% when i've been on the button.
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by pokernewbie28
      And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
      I think the other players have it correct:
      If a player shows he Raises First In 50% of the time, that is 50% of his opportunities.

      As to the % of the time that the first 3 players open-fold, just look at the reverse of their raising percentages.
      In Equilab, the following are given as loose open-raising ranges for
        MP2 -- 15.2%
        MP3 -- 17.6%
        CO -- 45.4%

      So the chances of them ALL FOLDING are:
      .85 * .82 * .55 = .38
      roughly 38% of hands are unopened before the button.

      If your table has looser or tighter players, then that all changes, of course.

      --VS
    • serverm07
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      Originally posted by pokernewbie28
      And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
      I think the other players have it correct:
      If a player shows he Raises First In 50% of the time, that is 50% of his opportunities.

      As to the % of the time that the first 3 players open-fold, just look at the reverse of their raising percentages.
      In Equilab, the following are given as loose open-raising ranges for
        MP2 -- 15.2%
        MP3 -- 17.6%
        CO -- 45.4%

      So the chances of them ALL FOLDING are:
      .85 * .82 * .55 = .38
      roughly 38% of hands are unopened before the button.

      If your table has looser or tighter players, then that all changes, of course.

      --VS
      this guy is on to something here :s_evil:
    • Ramble
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      Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER
      Stealing is against the law
      Aaaah Gary - the transition back is complete. :coolface:
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by serverm07
      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      Originally posted by pokernewbie28
      And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
      I think the other players have it correct:
      If a player shows he Raises First In 50% of the time, that is 50% of his opportunities.

      As to the % of the time that the first 3 players open-fold, just look at the reverse of their raising percentages.
      In Equilab, the following are given as loose open-raising ranges for
        MP2 -- 15.2%
        MP3 -- 17.6%
        CO -- 45.4%

      So the chances of them ALL FOLDING are:
      .85 * .82 * .55 = .38
      roughly 38% of hands are unopened before the button.

      If your table has looser or tighter players, then that all changes, of course.

      --VS
      this guy is on to something here :s_evil:
      Yup -- and I open-raise 43% from the button -- or did last night anyway.
      I was trying to figure out how to get PT4 to tell me how often I took the pot down pre-flop from anywhere, but I'm not used to their filter system yet. It was very high.

      --VS