Hey boys and girls,
I've recently been thinking about the all-in adj line on Poker Tracker 4. I know lots of players treat this as the "truth" and judge this vs. winrate to determine whether they are running well or poorly. I've just lost a pot with KK vs JTo, as below:
BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (SB): 176.2 BB
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K
K
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, BTN calls 4.6 BB
Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) J
3
6
Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB
Turn: (33 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 17 BB, BTN calls 17 BB
River: (67 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN checks
Hero shows K
K
(One Pair, Kings) (Pre 84%, Flop 78%, Turn 70%)
BTN shows T
J
(Flush, Ace High) (Pre 16%, Flop 22%, Turn 30%)
BTN wins 64.2 BB
Now I know shit happens but my PT4 graph green and gold lines both take a dive on this hand by the same amount. Even though I put in all of the money when I was ahead. By rights I should have (14*84% + 18*78% + 34*70%) in BB as my Sklansky bucks for the hand. I've fiddled around with PT4 and you can change the way All-in EV is calculated to include only all-in situations but that seems simplistic. I know that it's impossible to calculate EV for no showdown (working on presumed ranges is waaaay out of the question for the software currently) but I think that the current calculation doesn't give a very accurate reading.
I guess it works the other way round if you suck out on someone. But given that a successful poker player should be trying to extract value from worse hands when playing fish, who are the main revenue stream, then I don't think this will balance out over any sample size.
Just my thoughts, I'm open to correction and discussion.
keep it foolish
I've recently been thinking about the all-in adj line on Poker Tracker 4. I know lots of players treat this as the "truth" and judge this vs. winrate to determine whether they are running well or poorly. I've just lost a pot with KK vs JTo, as below:
BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (SB): 176.2 BB
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K
K
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, BTN calls 4.6 BB
Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) J
3
6
Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB
Turn: (33 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 17 BB, BTN calls 17 BB
River: (67 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN checks
Hero shows K
K
(One Pair, Kings) (Pre 84%, Flop 78%, Turn 70%)BTN shows T
J
(Flush, Ace High) (Pre 16%, Flop 22%, Turn 30%)BTN wins 64.2 BB
Now I know shit happens but my PT4 graph green and gold lines both take a dive on this hand by the same amount. Even though I put in all of the money when I was ahead. By rights I should have (14*84% + 18*78% + 34*70%) in BB as my Sklansky bucks for the hand. I've fiddled around with PT4 and you can change the way All-in EV is calculated to include only all-in situations but that seems simplistic. I know that it's impossible to calculate EV for no showdown (working on presumed ranges is waaaay out of the question for the software currently) but I think that the current calculation doesn't give a very accurate reading.
I guess it works the other way round if you suck out on someone. But given that a successful poker player should be trying to extract value from worse hands when playing fish, who are the main revenue stream, then I don't think this will balance out over any sample size.
Just my thoughts, I'm open to correction and discussion.
keep it foolish
