Is pushing wide on the bubble without reads correct?

    • Suboptimal88
      Suboptimal88
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      Joined: 11.06.2014 Posts: 53
      Icmizer tells me that pushing wide against wide callers its -ev on the bubble but then when i use the nash equlibrium function , it says that the norm is to push wide and call tight , im kinda confused with this.

      Is it unexploitable to push wide and call tight even against opponents who dont understand icm and call wide? or is it -ev?

      Im pretty sure folding is higher ev but is the wide pushing -ev ?
  • 3 replies
    • Johnis
      Johnis
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      Joined: 23.07.2009 Posts: 77
      If u push wide, you believe you have a lot of fold equity and hope that your opponent will fold a lot of hands (just as the nash equilibrium tells you to do). However, if the opponent is a fish, and does not follow this strategy and calls wide, your wide push becomes -EV, because you dont have the fold equity which you required in the first place.

      Furthermore, if u fold, your EV is 0, and if you say that folding is higher EV, that means that wide pushing is definitely -EV, since anything less than 0 is negative (however, this is your own opinion).
    • evolv87
      evolv87
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      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 114
      You can experiment with different ranges using ICMizer to understand how a loose calling fish will change your pushing range.

      Just put in the information as you normally would and edit the range of the caller. Add in all the loose hands that you think he would call with and then update the calculation again. It will drastically change your pushing range and you will be shoving very few of the regular semi-bluffing hands.
    • MaxLange
      MaxLange
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      Joined: 20.09.2014 Posts: 195
      it depends on your opponents versus smaller stacks than you it's easier to shove it's hard for them to call but versus big stacks it's not really good.