[coaching] Double your skill with double2, Review steal post flop decisions - 11th Dec 19:30 CET

    • double2
      double2
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      Double your Skill with double2 - Reviewing hands where you steal loose and face post flop decision

      Can't beat low stakes? This is a coaching for you, we'll be talking about diferent topics that most regulars are approaching sub-optimally. On this week coaching we'll be reviewing hands that you guys post here, where you tried a steal pre flop (preferably with a weak hand) and face a post flop decision (even if it is as simple as a cbet).

      Information

      Target group: all micro and low stakes NL players
      Time: Thursday 11th of December, 19:30 CET
      Status: Gold

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      Double your SKill - Introducing double2
  • 16 replies
    • alonohara
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      :profit:
    • MancaMulas
      MancaMulas
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      go double!!!!!!111
    • double2
      double2
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      First Post updated. Cheers
    • mute20
      mute20
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      Can you include the link to the video coaching in this thread for tomorrow? I can't connect to the chat client from the library.
    • mysteryman21
      mysteryman21
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      cool coach = > cool coachings
    • zazaboi
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      :f_cool:
    • alonohara
      alonohara
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      oh noooo, my status isn't updated :f_mad: :f_cry:

      good training 4all. :f_biggrin:
    • double2
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      I would like you to post hands where you make a steal (preferably with a weak hand) and we face a post flop decision (should I bluff cbet? should cbh and call turn with my weak SD value?)
    • cantunho
      cantunho
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.07.2014 Posts: 166
      Poker Stars $50.00 USD NL No Limit Hold'em
      6 players
      BTN: $50.00
      SB: $20.47
      BB: $50.58
      UTG: $41.76
      MP: $50.34
      CO: $50.38

      Preflop: ( $0.75 )
      3 folds, BTN raises to $1.12, 1 fold, BB calls $0.62

      Flop: ( $2.49 ) A:heart: , 5:club: , T:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, BTN bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00

      Turn: ( $6.49 ) 2:heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, BTN checks

      River: ( $6.49 ) 7:spade: (2 players)
      BB bets $3.10, 1 fold

      Final Pot: $9.59
      BB does not show
      BB collects $3.10 from pot
      BB collects $6.20 from pot

      I had q5 hearts.dont know why the hand is not here
    • IuriTPena
      IuriTPena
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      Joined: 08.04.2012 Posts: 1,367
      HAND 1:
      BB: 23/16, 45 hands
      SB: 31/23, 40 hands
      think it's a standard stealing vs him (bb)

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $10.65 (106.5 bb)
      BB: $15.71 (157.1 bb)
      UTG: $3.32 (33.2 bb)
      MP: $10.37 (103.7 bb)
      CO: $11.25 (112.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $11.52 (115.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 8
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.49) Q 2 J (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

      Turn: ($1.09) 8 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($1.09) A (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $1.09 pot ($0.05 rake)
      Final Board: Q 2 J 8 A
      BB showed J T and won $1.04 ($0.52 net)
      Hero mucked 6 8 and lost (-$0.52 net)

      Not sure if cbet is the best because bb seems tight and his range hit the flop pretty hard. Also not sure if i could bluff the river after check / check from a tight player.



      HAND 2:

      BB: no info
      SB: 7/5, 56 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $8.48 (84.8 bb)
      BB: $19.97 (199.7 bb)
      UTG: $22.31 (223.1 bb)
      MP: $18.22 (182.2 bb)
      CO: $10.26 (102.6 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $10.88 (108.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 5
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB calls $0.17, BB calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.66) 2 7 8 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero folds, SB calls $0.30


      Turn: ($1.26) 2 (2 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

      River: ($2.26) 2 (2 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

      Results: $3.06 pot ($0.14 rake)
      Final Board: 2 7 8 2 2
      SB mucked 9 9 and lost (-$1.42 net)
      BB showed Q Q and won $2.92 ($1.50 net)

      cbet vs 2 with 3 clean outs for the low str8, is it worth it ?(



      HAND 3:

      BB: 31/32, 40 hands
      SB: 14/13, 80 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $31.03 (310.3 bb)
      UTG: $22.32 (223.2 bb)
      MP: $10.19 (101.9 bb)
      CO: $12.31 (123.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $11.55 (115.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 K
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.49) 9 9 T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

      Turn: ($0.99) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB raises to $2.32, Hero folds

      Results:
      $2.19 pot ($0.10 rake)
      Final Board: 9 9 T 3
      BB mucked and won $2.09 ($1.02 net)
      Hero mucked 4 K and lost (-$1.07 net)

      maybe a little mistake cbeting this board :(



      HAND 4:

      BB: 15/10, 126 hands
      SB: 34/28, 64 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $12.18 (121.8 bb)
      BB: $11.93 (119.3 bb)
      UTG: $10 (100 bb)
      MP: $10.31 (103.1 bb)
      CO: $33.86 (338.6 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $10.30 (103 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 K
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.49) 2 Q T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB folds

      here i don't know... his range hit the board but i can barrel many turns and river rivers (value and bluff) and he might fold some T that call me on the flop or even a Q if the board get dangerous and i bet 3 times.

      PS: sorry for some grammar errors, english isn't my strongest point :facepalm: and thanks for the coach double. it's great to see you grow up, as a player and coach :f_thumbsup:
    • double2
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      First post updated. Please participate, if you don't do the work no one is going to do it for you.

      Cheers.
    • IuriTPena
      IuriTPena
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      Joined: 08.04.2012 Posts: 1,367
      if no one wants to post hands i'll kinda try to take their spot :f_ugly:

      HAND 5:

      BB: 18/8, 83 hands
      SB: 9/6, 55 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $19.20 (192 bb)
      BB: $5.54 (55.4 bb)
      UTG: $17.06 (170.6 bb)
      MP: $13.37 (133.7 bb)
      CO: $10.42 (104.2 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $13.29 (132.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K 2
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.45) 3 T 9 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero ?( bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

      Turn: ($0.95) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($0.95) 9 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $0.95 pot ($0.04 rake)
      Final Board: 3 T 9 3 9
      BB showed A T and won $0.91 ($0.46 net)
      Hero mucked K 2 and lost (-$0.45 net)




      HAND 6:

      BU: 14/9, 207hands
      BB: 15/13, 171 hands
      SB: 28/11, 18 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $2.27 (22.7 bb)
      BB: $26.02 (260.2 bb)
      UTG: $24.64 (246.4 bb)
      MP: $10.72 (107.2 bb)
      Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $16.67 (166.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB calls $0.20, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.60) 8 2 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero ?( checks

      Turn: ($0.60) 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($0.60) 8 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $0.60 pot ($0.03 rake)
      Final Board: 8 2 4 6 8
      SB showed A K and won $0.57 ($0.32 net)
      Hero mucked J Q and lost (-$0.25 net)

      bet flop and turns 9 / T is fine? bet flop and check turn if we hit J ou Q ?



      HAND 7:

      BB: 18/15, 34 hands
      SB: 21/15, 68 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $49.77 (497.7 bb)
      BB: $17.39 (173.9 bb)
      UTG: $20.74 (207.4 bb)
      MP: $3.56 (35.6 bb)
      CO: $49.74 (497.4 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $11 (110 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 J
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB calls $0.17, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.54) 6 7 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero ?( checks

      Turn: ($0.54) 3 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

      River: ($1.34) 2 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $1.34 pot ($0.06 rake)
      Final Board: 6 7 6 3 2
      SB showed 3 A and won $1.28 ($0.66 net)
      Hero mucked 3 J and lost (-$0.62 net)

      cbeting is fine here? he folds something like Ax/KQ-KT/JQ/JT ?
    • MYXGEO
      MYXGEO
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      go douu
    • asimos
      asimos
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      Here I am, switched to stars so I have a tracked account again :)

      HAND 1
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Villain is 18/12/Afq:32 over 172 hands

      SB: $146.23 (292.5 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      UTG: $72.16 (144.3 bb)
      MP: $85.47 (170.9 bb)
      CO: $106.40 (212.8 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $60.02 (120 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.25) 5 6 K (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5.25) Q (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($5.25) 6 (2 players)
      BB bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

      Results:
      $12.75 pot ($0.57 rake)
      Final Board: 5 6 K Q 6
      BB showed A 6 and won $12.18 ($5.93 net)
      Hero mucked Q 9 and lost (-$6.25 net)


      HAND 2

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Villain 43/22/Afq:13 over 23 hands

      SB: $53.35 (106.7 bb)
      BB: $67.59 (135.2 bb)
      UTG: $61.09 (122.2 bb)
      MP: $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $51.10 (102.2 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $120.79 (241.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 5
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.25) 4 8 T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5.25) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($5.25) T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

      Results:
      $12.25 pot ($0.55 rake)
      Final Board: 4 8 T 3 T
      BB showed 6 4 and won $11.70 ($5.70 net)
      Hero showed Q 5 and lost (-$6 net)


      HAND 3

      Villain 19/0/Afq:29 over 16 hands

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $50 (100 bb)
      BB: $136.19 (272.4 bb)
      UTG: $69.83 (139.7 bb)
      MP: $61.60 (123.2 bb)
      CO: $64.27 (128.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $74.48 (149 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.25) 8 9 2 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5.25) 4 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($5.25) T (2 players)
      BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

      Results:
      $11.25 pot ($0.51 rake)
      Final Board: 8 9 2 4 T
      BB showed 8 T and won $10.74 ($5.24 net)
      Hero mucked A T and lost (-$5.50 net)


      HAND 4

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Villain is 20/7/Afq:25 over 16 hands

      SB: $85.94 (171.9 bb)
      BB: $143.47 (286.9 bb)
      UTG: $104.05 (208.1 bb)
      MP: $92.39 (184.8 bb)
      CO: $27.04 (54.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $63.61 (127.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 5
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

      Flop: ($2.50) 8 7 2 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.79, SB calls $1.79

      Turn: ($6.08) K (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($6.08) 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $6.08 pot ($0.27 rake)
      Final Board: 8 7 2 K 6
      SB showed 9 A and won $5.81 ($3.02 net)
      Hero mucked A 5 and lost (-$2.79 net)
    • gadget51
      gadget51
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      Joined: 23.06.2008 Posts: 5,622
      Recreational in bb, looks a useful tag in sb. No real sample.

      This to me is a typical recreational donkbet with a weak hand so I need to get the reg out the way and if they both fold so beit. If I get called I'm done but that's less likely than might be expected with me raising into two villains. The reg will duck with just about everything speculative to such a strong move.

      My only concern is the reg has quite a few connected broadway type hands in their range as well a trappy small/mid pp in sb and they mostly prefer calling say <JJ KJ/KT/TQ type hands than 3betting, so I don't think a call is good here, hence my iso-raise.

      Too aggro on the flop? Is my flop raise sizing ok?

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05, $0.01 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      SB: $9.32 (186.4 bb)
      BB: $4.86 (97.2 bb)
      UTG: $11.29 (225.8 bb)
      MP: $13.13 (262.6 bb)
      CO: $6.38 (127.6 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $13.92 (278.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 3
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05

      Flop: ($0.36) 5 9 Q (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.29, SB folds, BB calls $0.24

      Turn: ($0.94)

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Versus two nitty 12/8 type blinds, so easy steal atc.
      Nits call with small-mid pps a lot and occasionally something weird fora nit like 84ss if I've been 'at it' too often and they get a bit tilty. :s_evil:

      I'm unsure about these flops still though, even versus a nit. They look a bit too 'middle-ish' which hits most people, but by the river I can't even beat a bluff so I may as well bet! :f_thumbsup:

      Would a cbet make more sense? If so how much, large(80%) or small bluff like (40%)? I don't have a 'standard cbet size' at these limits, nobody cares.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

      SB: $6.06 (121.2 bb)
      BB: $5 (100 bb)
      MP: $5.27 (105.4 bb)
      CO: $3.64 (72.8 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5.14 (102.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 2
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

      Flop: ($0.22) J J 8 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($0.22) Q (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($0.22) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.13, BB folds



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      More nits. I've really pounded this one so it may be a tilty call with sooooted something but usually a trapping pair, possibly even JJ+. The problem with a low board for me is if I bet an get called it screams overpair, set or at least TPXK and a nit will never fold those. Is it a one and done? Or a missed cbet altogether and just chk/f?

      For example, a nit will chk down on a 62362 then donk out pot size on the river.

      Am I just paranoid when a nit calls me?! :facepalm:

      Hitting the turn would seem a bit irrelevant here unless it's a 5 or 7, I need to hit both turn and river hard.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

      SB: $5.77 (115.4 bb)
      BB: $9.16 (183.2 bb)
      CO: $5.25 (105 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 6
      CO folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05

      Flop: ($0.30) 9 4 2 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Last one, villain looks taggish up to now. No real sample.

      Looks standard to me and obviously I don't 'rep' anything, but then neither does he except yet another under-pair trying to 'see where he's at' :facepalm: They raise cbets on dry boards for the same reason.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      SB: $5.10 (102 bb)
      BB: $5.23 (104.6 bb)
      UTG: $3.33 (66.6 bb)
      MP: $6.62 (132.4 bb)
      CO: $9.64 (192.8 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5.29 (105.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2 3
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

      Flop: ($0.22) 6 6 K (2 players)
      BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.53, BB folds



      Playing 18/14 is - or was(!) - comfortable, I never knew I could be so loose! This is fun but I need to watch, I've started stealing without even looking while playing hands on other tables...just min raise and see...

      Thank you, you made me think again.
    • gadget51
      gadget51
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      Joined: 23.06.2008 Posts: 5,622
      I would usually cbet this but it looks a bit drawy to me and villain tends to be a bit floaty, a bit of a chaser. I just wonder if the ace helps me more for betting?

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      SB: $9.86 (98.6 bb)
      BB: $14.27 (142.7 bb)
      UTG: $13.95 (139.5 bb)
      MP: $19.46 (194.6 bb)
      CO: $9.45 (94.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 4
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.15, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.50) 4 5 A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($0.50) Q (2 players)
      SB bets $0.24, Hero folds