Warning: L777LF

    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      I want to warn everyone for PS member Atila- L777LF.

      Some of you might know that Me and Paklu have been looking players to stake in
      this thread: Staking MTT players

      Robert send me application for stake in 20.10.2014 and we actually staked him 25.11.2014 after we had done strong ID check to him.

      Text mesa
      - passionate about the game and generally knowledgeable about it.
      -nik poker stars elninio7773 20k mtts roi 34%
      i play also in 888 screen name vinia777 AVG ROI 71% in 2900 games
      ​​​​https://www.sharkscope.com/​​​​#Player-Statistics//networks/​8​8​8​Po​ke​r/​pl​​ay​ers​​/VI​​NIA​7​77
      skype id
      id like to join in staking grup to improve my game and start taking poker more seriusli since i dont have one job right naw.
      Skypename
      Any personal information: contact info,will be provided upon request via pm or Skype
      Thanks for reading
      Robert


      I have all his personal information including his ID, home address and phone number.
      Unfortunately he still decided to cheat us.

      First I told Robert he should play some tournaments with his own $$$, since I was bit worried to start staking deal for him for many reason. Biggest reasons was his lack of skills in MTTs (He's winning player, but kind of ABC), and also he seem to be kind of broke.

      I deleted some part of our conversation, because it's not relevant. Also edited stuff like his pokerstars log in details (which he gave me) + his tournament shedule out.



      [12.11.2014 20:43:08] robert robert: hy Aleksi
      [12.11.2014 20:43:50] Aleksi Partanen: hi, what's up
      [12.11.2014 20:44:09] robert robert: just wanted to ask
      [12.11.2014 20:44:54] robert robert: if u and Pakalen want to stake me to sng4.50$ 180 plr and mtts up to 5$
      [12.11.2014 20:45:02] robert robert: until i prove miself
      [12.11.2014 20:45:39] robert robert: i wil work hard to inprove my game
      [12.11.2014 20:46:14] robert robert: and with weekli revius for sure my game wil be much bethar
      [12.11.2014 20:47:59] Aleksi Partanen: I don't know
      [12.11.2014 20:48:04] Aleksi Partanen: have to think...
      [12.11.2014 20:48:23] Aleksi Partanen: It will benefit you if you will make some kind of plan what games to play and other stuff
      [12.11.2014 20:48:49] Aleksi Partanen: I don't like to just give you some money, I want to see real effort on your part.
      [12.11.2014 20:49:04] Aleksi Partanen: because in review I wasn't happy what I saw.
      [12.11.2014 20:50:04] robert robert: playng sng 180 plr mtts up to 5$ and low 2$ rebuys
      [12.11.2014 20:50:40] robert robert: i post my second scren last day
      [12.11.2014 20:50:54] robert robert: so naw im ablee to see much bethar
      [12.11.2014 20:51:13] robert robert: i just want one chance to prove miself
      [12.11.2014 20:51:31] robert robert: no beg for money
      [12.11.2014 20:52:09] Aleksi Partanen: I want to see like a tournament shedule
      [12.11.2014 20:52:21] Aleksi Partanen: where you have starting time and tournaments you're going to play
      [12.11.2014 20:52:31] Aleksi Partanen: which is sustainable
      [12.11.2014 20:52:43] Aleksi Partanen: meaning you can play it 5 - 6 days / week
      [12.11.2014 20:52:48] robert robert: right i do that
      [12.11.2014 20:52:58] Aleksi Partanen: (y)
      [12.11.2014 20:53:12] robert robert: i have time to play 5 6 days evry week
      [12.11.2014 20:53:22] robert robert: since right naw i dont have one job
      [12.11.2014 20:53:43] robert robert: and in romania is almost imposibil to find one job during the winter

      [12.11.2014 20:54:12] Aleksi Partanen: so what do you do ?
      [12.11.2014 20:54:21] robert robert: i have my sister that is working in germani and pais my bils
      [12.11.2014 20:57:27] Aleksi Partanen: but anyway
      [12.11.2014 20:57:32] Aleksi Partanen: I think you make a shedule
      [12.11.2014 20:57:42] Aleksi Partanen: and then we can think
      [12.11.2014 20:57:52] robert robert: ok
      [12.11.2014 21:03:26] robert robert: i wil work hard just to prove miself
      [12.11.2014 21:03:37] robert robert: luck if u dont have fait in me
      [12.11.2014 21:04:22] robert robert: il send u my poker stars id pass and pin
      [12.11.2014 21:04:39] robert robert: xxx
      [12.11.2014 21:04:58] robert robert: xxx
      [12.11.2014 21:05:19] Aleksi Partanen: I need to work now... We'll talk later about this ok ?
      [12.11.2014 21:05:31] robert robert: ok
      [12.11.2014 21:06:52] Aleksi Partanen: And I still think we need to review something
      [12.11.2014 21:06:55] Aleksi Partanen: more receent
      [12.11.2014 21:06:57] Aleksi Partanen: from you
      [12.11.2014 21:07:27] robert robert: il send u my deep stak big 30 euro in poker stars fr
      [12.11.2014 21:07:35] robert robert: that i win
      [12.11.2014 21:08:04] robert robert: this year
      [12.11.2014 21:08:29] Aleksi Partanen: No I mean like something after last time...
      [12.11.2014 21:08:38] Aleksi Partanen: from this month or so
      [12.11.2014 21:09:28] robert robert: im teling u the truth not played almost nothing since i come back from germani
      [12.11.2014 21:09:48] robert robert: i waz working ther 3 months and not get paid
      [12.11.2014 21:10:08] robert robert: so i have no much $ to depozit and play

      [12.11.2014 21:10:44] Aleksi Partanen: I understand
      [12.11.2014 21:11:33] robert robert: iv got one big suck aut
      [12.11.2014 21:11:40] robert robert: working with no contract ther

      [12.11.2014 21:11:44] Aleksi Partanen: I kind of want to help you, but really need to see some improvement on your part.
      [12.11.2014 21:12:06] Aleksi Partanen: Staking is business not charity.
      [12.11.2014 21:12:14] robert robert: right
      [12.11.2014 21:12:38] robert robert: i not in search for charity
      [12.11.2014 21:12:42] Aleksi Partanen: I think we probably can stake like some small games
      [12.11.2014 21:12:49] robert robert: just one chance to prove miself
      [12.11.2014 21:13:04] Aleksi Partanen: and we get you coached and after we think game is good enough we move you up
      [12.11.2014 21:14:10] Aleksi Partanen: But I mean all this lifesituation + part you don't have lot of experience and stuff...
      [12.11.2014 21:14:25] Aleksi Partanen: I'm just not sure
      [12.11.2014 21:15:16] Aleksi Partanen: seems somewhat risky for me even tho I think you're nice guy and decent pokerplayer.
      [12.11.2014 21:16:15] robert robert: just one chance and I will not disappoint u
      [12.11.2014 21:16:40] Aleksi Partanen: I will talk with Paklu and we'll see..
      [12.11.2014 21:18:00] robert robert: I'll try to sell my moped and depozit 300$ 400$ again to have new hand hystory
      [12.11.2014 21:18:45] robert robert: but do not know who will buy now winter :(
      [12.11.2014 21:21:26] robert robert: I hope you accept me, and have a nice cooperation in future
      [12.11.2014 21:57:10] robert robert: u stil want to make one dayly schedule?
      [12.11.2014 21:58:11] Aleksi Partanen: yes
      [12.11.2014 21:58:22 | Edited 21:58:33] Aleksi Partanen: it's good practice
      [12.11.2014 22:24:16] Aleksi Partanen: Do you have skrill ?
      [12.11.2014 22:24:39] robert robert: no
      [12.11.2014 22:24:49] robert robert: :(
      [12.11.2014 22:25:49] robert robert: or i have but its not waz verificate
      [12.11.2014 22:25:56] robert robert: since i nevar used
      [12.11.2014 22:26:37 | Edited 22:26:44] Aleksi Partanen: Ok
      [12.11.2014 22:27:03] robert robert: luck i tiped some off the games
      [12.11.2014 22:27:14] robert robert: I could start almost every day with
      xxx
      [12.11.2014 22:27:54] robert robert: and add some sng 4.50$ plr from time to time
      [12.11.2014 22:28:06] robert robert: depends of the numers of table i have
      [12.11.2014 22:29:21] robert robert: in the same time frame ar also the hyper 5$ 2 or 3dayly
      [12.11.2014 22:33:06] Aleksi Partanen: you probably have to make some new accounts
      [12.11.2014 22:33:10] Aleksi Partanen: and skrill account
      [12.11.2014 22:33:34] Aleksi Partanen: at least all french sites
      [12.11.2014 22:34:13] robert robert: ok
      [12.11.2014 22:35:27] Aleksi Partanen: but don't do anything
      [12.11.2014 22:35:35] Aleksi Partanen: before we give you instructions
      [12.11.2014 22:35:46] robert robert: perfect


      After this it took some and Robert had his skrill ready and verified.

      [19.11.2014 21:38:11] robert robert: hi alekcsi
      [19.11.2014 21:44:19] Aleksi Partanen: hey
      [19.11.2014 21:45:16] robert robert: stil not got one answer :(
      [19.11.2014 21:45:29] robert robert: i have the hm2 also naw
      [19.11.2014 21:46:04] robert robert: and turnament shark
      [19.11.2014 21:46:19] Aleksi Partanen: aa sorry, you haven't been online and I forgot.
      [19.11.2014 21:47:12] Aleksi Partanen: Paklu was at least interested of staking you...
      [19.11.2014 21:47:37] Aleksi Partanen: And I think as well it would be good to give you a change but
      [19.11.2014 21:47:47] Aleksi Partanen: You need skrill account
      [19.11.2014 21:47:56] robert robert: ok
      [19.11.2014 21:48:03] robert robert: thats not one problem
      [19.11.2014 21:48:13] robert robert: i didant open one skril acount
      [19.11.2014 21:48:30] Aleksi Partanen: when you have skrill and all ID checks and stuff done we can talk more.
      [19.11.2014 21:48:30] robert robert: becaz u told me to wayt new info first from u guys
      [19.11.2014 21:48:56] Aleksi Partanen: I think pokerstars we can
      [19.11.2014 21:49:09] Aleksi Partanen: give you bankroll before but
      [19.11.2014 21:50:06] Aleksi Partanen: I just want get this stuff started before I give you any money, because it seems that none of us is active here...
      [19.11.2014 21:50:17] Aleksi Partanen: I got my stuff, paklu has his...
      [19.11.2014 21:50:33] Aleksi Partanen: so when you have skrill account you let me know
      [19.11.2014 21:50:38] robert robert: ok
      [19.11.2014 21:50:58] robert robert: thx
      [19.11.2014 21:51:20] robert robert: i anunce u in cuple off days wend is all done
      [19.11.2014 23:58:30] robert robert: hy alrksi
      [19.11.2014 23:58:38] robert robert: naw i have skril acount


      After this we had few conversations in which I helped him how to verify his accounts + give him some links to setup accounts. Then we had actual coversation when we made the deal.

      [21.11.2014 14:43:47] robert robert: hy aleksi
      [21.11.2014 14:54:12] Aleksi Partanen: hey! what's up?
      [21.11.2014 14:55:35] robert robert: have u talh with parku?
      [21.11.2014 14:56:12] Aleksi Partanen: Yes will stake you
      [21.11.2014 14:56:37] Aleksi Partanen: you will start with something like 1k$ and we reload if needed
      [21.11.2014 14:56:47] Aleksi Partanen: freezeouts up to 10e / 11$
      [21.11.2014 14:57:02] Aleksi Partanen: rebuys up to 5e / 5,50$
      [21.11.2014 14:57:10] robert robert: hopfuly no ned to reload
      [21.11.2014 14:57:29] robert robert: and start with deep runs
      [21.11.2014 14:57:44] Aleksi Partanen: We will open you probably...
      [21.11.2014 14:57:59] Aleksi Partanen: ipoker account since you can't play ipoker.fr
      [21.11.2014 14:58:18] Aleksi Partanen: ongame + microgaming account betsafe etc.
      [21.11.2014 14:58:34] Aleksi Partanen: and pokerstars & FTP
      [21.11.2014 14:58:41] Aleksi Partanen: should be enough for start
      [21.11.2014 14:59:06] Aleksi Partanen: pokerstars not too much "big fields" at start.
      [21.11.2014 14:59:17] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 14:59:19] Aleksi Partanen: maybe some
      [21.11.2014 14:59:41] Aleksi Partanen: also sunday million & other turbo rebuy satellites
      [21.11.2014 14:59:46] Aleksi Partanen: are very good
      [21.11.2014 15:00:16] Aleksi Partanen: small fields and very soft, low variance because it's like 1 - 5 x 215d tickets
      [21.11.2014 15:00:25] Aleksi Partanen: and tickets you can change T$
      [21.11.2014 15:04:16] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 15:04:39] robert robert: hope i have news sone from u
      [21.11.2014 15:04:45] robert robert: wend i start
      [21.11.2014 15:04:59] robert robert: gl in tables today
      [21.11.2014 16:41:06] Aleksi Partanen: xxx <-- I deleted my link
      [21.11.2014 16:41:10] Aleksi Partanen: Make account please.
      [21.11.2014 17:44:49] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 17:44:49] robert robert:
      [21.11.2014 17:56:19] Aleksi Partanen: Are you ok to start with 40% winnings to you and 60% to us.
      [21.11.2014 17:56:35] Aleksi Partanen: we can make increases
      [21.11.2014 17:56:35] robert robert: Your skype does not support extended icons. Please download the extension here: http://skypeemoticonsas.in/?skype=1
      [21.11.2014 17:56:43] robert robert: bonuses and fpp are part of the stake?
      [21.11.2014 17:57:01] Aleksi Partanen: after you made so profit, up 70% / 30% in your favor or something like this.
      [21.11.2014 17:57:05] Aleksi Partanen: Yes.
      [21.11.2014 17:57:14] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 17:57:19] robert robert: sund fair
      [21.11.2014 17:58:06] Aleksi Partanen: I think
      [21.11.2014 17:58:45] Aleksi Partanen: will make deal which will last 12 months or 30ke profits.
      [21.11.2014 17:58:46] robert robert: i make the acount in wiliam hyl naw
      [21.11.2014 17:58:53] Aleksi Partanen: which ever comes first
      [21.11.2014 17:59:05] Aleksi Partanen: after that you can decide if you want to keep playing staked or not
      [21.11.2014 17:59:17] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 17:59:23] robert robert: one question
      [21.11.2014 17:59:35] robert robert: wend i have god rezult
      [21.11.2014 17:59:47] robert robert: are u considering to moving up?
      [21.11.2014 18:00:16] robert robert: not stay always in 10$fo
      [21.11.2014 18:01:10] Aleksi Partanen: Yes I think we can move you up at least up to ABI 20$ or something
      [21.11.2014 18:01:28] Aleksi Partanen: which would mean at least 11e rebuys, 20e freezeouts
      [21.11.2014 18:01:32] robert robert: depend of my rezults
      [21.11.2014 18:01:37] robert robert: and the profit i make
      [21.11.2014 18:01:40] robert robert: right
      [21.11.2014 18:01:48] Aleksi Partanen: and of course more larger fields
      [21.11.2014 18:01:56] Aleksi Partanen: where you can make more money
      [21.11.2014 18:02:00] robert robert: ok undested
      [21.11.2014 18:02:24] Aleksi Partanen: but I mean I can't promise that we'll move you up to play 50e freezeouts or something

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      I deleted some part of the conversation out because it was irrelevant..

      [21.11.2014 18:04:52] robert robert: wend are u sending the contract?
      [21.11.2014 18:05:24] Aleksi Partanen: I'll send you after i've made it.
      [21.11.2014 18:05:32] Aleksi Partanen: I have only finnish contract
      [21.11.2014 18:05:38] Aleksi Partanen: have to translate it
      [21.11.2014 18:06:00] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 18:18:30] Aleksi Partanen: are you ok for this deal?
      [21.11.2014 18:18:30] Aleksi Partanen:

      40/60 < 10ke (4000€ / 6000€)

      50/50 10ke --> 15ke (2500€ / 2500€)

      60/40 15ke --> 20Ke (3000€ / 2000€)

      70/30 20ke --> ( 7000€ / 3000€)

      total: 16500€ / 13500€

      [21.11.2014 18:18:46] Aleksi Partanen: So it will be 40/60 first 10ke profits
      [21.11.2014 18:18:52] Aleksi Partanen: after that increase
      [21.11.2014 18:18:58] robert robert: ok
      [21.11.2014 18:19:06] Aleksi Partanen: total 55% to you and 45% if you get to 30ke profits
      [21.11.2014 18:19:19] robert robert: one more question
      [21.11.2014 18:19:35] robert robert: can i split evri time wend im more than 300$ up?
      [21.11.2014 18:19:56] robert robert: or i have to wayt one week or one month to split?
      [21.11.2014 18:20:20] robert robert: not split to send the 60% for u and cash aut the 40% from the profit
      [21.11.2014 18:22:31] Aleksi Partanen: Basically you can always cashout your share if you're in profit
      [21.11.2014 18:22:56] Aleksi Partanen: we just need to keep track how much you have cashouted in total
      [21.11.2014 18:23:25] robert robert: agree
      [21.11.2014 18:24:19 | Edited 18:24:23] Aleksi Partanen: Some stuff like sharkscope we can put to make-up as "business expence"
      [21.11.2014 18:24:32] robert robert: i made the william hill acount
      [21.11.2014 18:24:50] Aleksi Partanen: so you will pay sharkscope for some period of time and make it back
      [21.11.2014 18:25:28] robert robert: naw i have the turnament shark
      [21.11.2014 18:25:35] robert robert: for 30 dais
      [21.11.2014 18:25:44] robert robert: than i buy it for 6 months
      [21.11.2014 18:26:57] robert robert: do u want to send u my log in details in william hilll?
      [21.11.2014 18:27:11] Aleksi Partanen: yea sure
      [21.11.2014 18:27:32] robert robert: xxx
      [21.11.2014 18:27:35] robert robert: pass
      [21.11.2014 18:27:43] robert robert: xxx
      [21.11.2014 18:29:45] robert robert: also i have account in 888 and nice rezults ther
      [21.11.2014 18:30:20] robert robert: but playng in 2 3 room from start i think is enof


      After this we had conversation when I actually funded his accounts.

      Ok so
      [25.11.2014 18:12:57] Aleksi Partanen: I think we'll give you bankroll 888, pokerstars & FTP, WH at start
      [25.11.2014 18:13:17] Aleksi Partanen: I'll try to setup Ongame or Ongame & Microgaming account to you as well
      [25.11.2014 18:16:15] Aleksi Partanen: I'll send you 200$ in 888 after you give me your account details
      [25.11.2014 18:16:33] robert robert: pas and login
      [25.11.2014 18:16:34] robert robert: ok?
      [25.11.2014 18:16:39] Aleksi Partanen: and 300$ to Pokerstars which you split some to FTP if you want
      [25.11.2014 18:16:43] Aleksi Partanen: Yes.
      [25.11.2014 18:17:15] Aleksi Partanen: Make account xxx and give me username after your done
      [25.11.2014 18:17:51] Aleksi Partanen: Paklu will send money you in skrill you or he will deposit it to WH
      [25.11.2014 18:18:36] robert robert: one moment i have the auto log in in 888 i giv u the pass in 1 min
      [25.11.2014 18:23:03] robert robert: vinia777 pass xxx
      [25.11.2014 18:23:07] robert robert: in 888
      [25.11.2014 18:23:58] Aleksi Partanen: Paklu says he can't log in WH
      [25.11.2014 18:24:03] Aleksi Partanen: with these details
      [25.11.2014 18:24:04] Aleksi Partanen: WH: Robert1Win
      pass: xxx
      [25.11.2014 18:24:15] Aleksi Partanen: sorry, it's ok.
      [25.11.2014 18:24:21] robert robert: i had wiliam started wayt to desconect
      [25.11.2014 18:24:32] Aleksi Partanen: ok...
      [25.11.2014 18:24:41] robert robert: naw i think its ok
      [25.11.2014 18:26:42] Aleksi Partanen: Username and brand: Vinia777, 888Poker City: resita Country: Romania
      [25.11.2014 18:26:46] Aleksi Partanen: Should be ok right?
      [25.11.2014 18:26:48] robert robert: yes
      [25.11.2014 18:26:57] Aleksi Partanen: I send 200$ here
      [25.11.2014 18:27:12] Aleksi Partanen: should be there now
      [25.11.2014 18:27:21] robert robert: are u sending me the contract to sign
      [25.11.2014 18:27:38] Aleksi Partanen: yes but it's not finished yet :D
      [25.11.2014 18:27:46] Aleksi Partanen: only have it on finnish
      [25.11.2014 18:28:10] robert robert: recived 200$ in 888
      [25.11.2014 18:28:15] Aleksi Partanen: It should be fine if we just agree
      [25.11.2014 18:28:22] Aleksi Partanen: 12 months or 30ke profits
      [25.11.2014 18:28:28] Aleksi Partanen: 40/60 < 10ke (4000€ / 6000€)

      50/50 10ke --> 15ke (2500€ / 2500€)

      60/40 15ke --> 20Ke (3000€ / 2000€)

      70/30 20ke --> ( 7000€ / 3000€)


      total: 16500€ / 13500€
      [25.11.2014 18:28:57] Aleksi Partanen: Agreenment is really just formality
      [25.11.2014 18:29:04] Aleksi Partanen: I mean there will be stuff like
      [25.11.2014 18:29:28] robert robert: and the games in 888 are the same 5$ rebuy and 11$ fo right
      [25.11.2014 18:29:46] robert robert: in all the room until i make provit and u see my hh
      [25.11.2014 18:29:48] Aleksi Partanen: You can't play anything exept MTTs and If you do play cash games or casino you have the pay for the damage you cost
      [25.11.2014 18:30:00] Aleksi Partanen: But I assume it's pretty obvious on most part
      [25.11.2014 18:30:25] robert robert: its obv its baned to play anithing else than mtt
      [25.11.2014 18:30:52] Aleksi Partanen: yes up to 5d rebuy 11d Fo for now
      [25.11.2014 18:31:11] Aleksi Partanen: and rebuys you should lateregister if possible
      [25.11.2014 18:31:23] Aleksi Partanen: like register after 60min and take buy-in + add-on
      [25.11.2014 18:31:24] robert robert: its one special day with reviu and hh?
      [25.11.2014 18:31:40] robert robert: or wend its posibil and u have time
      [25.11.2014 18:31:54] robert robert: also can i send from time to time one hand?
      [25.11.2014 18:31:56] robert robert: in skype
      [25.11.2014 18:32:02 | Edited 18:32:08] Aleksi Partanen: Yes sure
      [25.11.2014 18:32:12] robert robert: i dont expect fast answer
      [25.11.2014 18:32:19] robert robert: just wend u have time
      [25.11.2014 18:32:36] robert robert: obv i not gona send hands like aa in kk :D
      [25.11.2014 18:32:38] Aleksi Partanen: pokerstars
      [25.11.2014 18:32:39] Aleksi Partanen: elninio7773?
      [25.11.2014 18:32:43] robert robert: yes
      [25.11.2014 18:32:52] robert robert: pass xxx
      [25.11.2014 18:33:01] Aleksi Partanen: you have like Keep Calm image ?
      [25.11.2014 18:33:05] robert robert: pin xxx
      [25.11.2014 18:33:10] robert robert: yes with red
      [25.11.2014 18:33:18] Aleksi Partanen: 300d send
      [25.11.2014 18:33:34] robert robert: i make the acount in the best poker
      [25.11.2014 18:33:52] Aleksi Partanen: I suggest that at stars you try to play as less as possible
      [25.11.2014 18:33:58] Aleksi Partanen: at start
      [25.11.2014 18:34:19] Aleksi Partanen: If you want to register something avoid turbos and hyperturbos
      [25.11.2014 18:34:28] robert robert: yes obv
      [25.11.2014 18:34:34] Aleksi Partanen: play like small 2,20d rebuys or something
      [25.11.2014 18:34:38] Aleksi Partanen: with deepstacks
      [25.11.2014 18:34:43] robert robert: i play the the 2 rebuys and fo
      [25.11.2014 18:34:47] robert robert: with 10 min bb
      [25.11.2014 18:34:59] Aleksi Partanen: 2,20+R 500cap for example
      [25.11.2014 18:35:06] Aleksi Partanen: good tournament for you
      [25.11.2014 18:35:38] Aleksi Partanen: Also I think someday we take coaching session and I'll teach you to play rebuy-satellites
      [25.11.2014 18:35:42] Aleksi Partanen: good value in those
      [25.11.2014 18:35:53] robert robert: (sun)
      [25.11.2014 18:36:18] Aleksi Partanen: but for start let's say
      [25.11.2014 18:36:22] Aleksi Partanen: pokerstars no turbos
      [25.11.2014 18:36:28] Aleksi Partanen: or hypers
      [25.11.2014 18:36:32] robert robert: right
      [25.11.2014 18:36:43] Aleksi Partanen: only like deepstacks and small buy-ins
      [25.11.2014 18:37:11] Aleksi Partanen: I mean if you want to play 11d 4k gtd or something it's ok
      [25.11.2014 18:37:42] Aleksi Partanen: or 8,80d big or something
      [25.11.2014 18:37:49] Aleksi Partanen: But I mean you have responsibility so I just recommend you to play small fields
      [25.11.2014 18:38:03] Aleksi Partanen: you'll game will improve faster
      [25.11.2014 18:38:15] Aleksi Partanen: and then we can go back to playing bigger fields
      [25.11.2014 18:38:24] robert robert: (y)
      [25.11.2014 18:42:53] Aleksi Partanen: Okay so your accounts should be ready now
      [25.11.2014 18:43:17] Aleksi Partanen: ongame we will bankroll after you've made acount and send documents
      [25.11.2014 18:43:35] robert robert: right
      [25.11.2014 18:44:09] Aleksi Partanen: I suggest you play some tournaments today
      [25.11.2014 18:44:13] Aleksi Partanen: take like 6-tables
      [25.11.2014 18:44:29] robert robert: evry night wend i end playng i send u the situation in acounts right?
      [25.11.2014 18:44:42] Aleksi Partanen: try to focus and use sharkscope/tournament shark in tables you play.
      [25.11.2014 18:44:47] Aleksi Partanen: take notes and stuff like this
      [25.11.2014 18:45:07] Aleksi Partanen: Yes I think every day at start and
      [25.11.2014 18:45:15] Aleksi Partanen: after sometime like 1 x times a week
      [25.11.2014 18:46:14] Aleksi Partanen: you should have 1000$ bankroll now, 200e is reserved for ongame
      [25.11.2014 18:46:33 | Edited 18:46:41] Aleksi Partanen: if needed we will reload you
      [25.11.2014 18:48:49] robert robert: OK
      [25.11.2014 18:53:01] robert robert: send u my details in best poker
      [25.11.2014 18:53:26] robert robert: HappySunday is my nik
      [25.11.2014 18:53:36] robert robert: and pass xxx
      [25.11.2014 18:56:49] Aleksi Partanen: Ongame is good to go now as well
      [25.11.2014 18:58:30] Aleksi Partanen: from ongame you should play 5,50d rebuys and 11d freezeouts at least
      [25.11.2014 18:59:06] Aleksi Partanen: 00:00 11d Night cap 0,5k gtd turbo you
      [25.11.2014 18:59:11] Aleksi Partanen: can play as well
      [25.11.2014 18:59:39] Aleksi Partanen: but skip 1:30 5,50+R beaches of rio 1k gtd
      [25.11.2014 18:59:54] Aleksi Partanen: it's turbo and rebuys & add-ons even sized
      [25.11.2014 19:00:02] robert robert: ok
      [25.11.2014 19:00:43] Aleksi Partanen: Good luck
      [25.11.2014 19:00:49] robert robert: thx
      [25.11.2014 19:00:53] robert robert: gl for us
      [25.11.2014 19:01:23] Aleksi Partanen: tell me if you hit some final tables or deepruns
      [25.11.2014 19:01:45] Aleksi Partanen: we should review like yesterday or next 2 - 3 days
      [25.11.2014 19:01:51] Aleksi Partanen: as soon as you have something
      [25.11.2014 19:02:20] robert robert: ok
      [25.11.2014 19:02:36] robert robert: so naw i have 200$ in 888 and 300$ on stars
      [25.11.2014 19:03:26] Aleksi Partanen: full tilt poker there's at least this 1 up tournament 5,50d
      [25.11.2014 19:03:50] robert robert: its ther one problem if i dont play ther?
      [25.11.2014 19:04:01] robert robert: i nevar enjoidet that room
      [25.11.2014 19:04:13] robert robert: they dezerv nobady play ther
      [25.11.2014 19:04:16] Aleksi Partanen: no of course not
      [25.11.2014 19:05:43] Aleksi Partanen: but If you I think better to learn play with softwares don't like because you miss value by not playing very often
      [25.11.2014 19:05:56] Aleksi Partanen: Example ongames software isn't the best
      [25.11.2014 19:06:33] Aleksi Partanen: But I mean for me as well some networks like microgaming where I try to avoid playing because don't just like it
      [25.11.2014 19:06:43] robert robert: in wiliam hyyl i had to depozit with skryl right?
      [25.11.2014 19:06:53] robert robert: they dont have player to player transfer
      [25.11.2014 19:06:59] Aleksi Partanen: There is money already
      [25.11.2014 19:07:08] Aleksi Partanen: I think you have to just transfer it from
      [25.11.2014 19:07:12] Aleksi Partanen: main account to poker
      [25.11.2014 19:10:44] robert robert: yes u right i have 203 euro
      [25.11.2014 19:13:33] robert robert: also 249$ in best poker
      [25.11.2014 19:13:47] robert robert: i go to and litle later start playng


      Last conversation with Robert. He won 605€ from 5e rebuy at Ipoker and he was hoping to get cashout immidiately. Which I denied, because we had
      just started. I was hoping we would play at least 1 full month before any cashouts.


      [26.11.2014 15:32:12] Aleksi Partanen: Okay so you send me balances after everyday like this.
      [26.11.2014 15:32:14] Aleksi Partanen:
      Main Balance WH: 500€

      William Hill: 279,10€

      BestPoker: 216,00€

      888: 157,87$

      Pokerstars: 287,10$

      [26.11.2014 15:32:54] robert robert: ok
      [26.11.2014 15:33:18] Aleksi Partanen: Total: 995,10€ + 444,97$
      [26.11.2014 15:34:14] Aleksi Partanen: It looks like your profit +681,28$ now
      [26.11.2014 15:34:23] robert robert: cool
      [26.11.2014 15:34:29] Aleksi Partanen: congrats
      [26.11.2014 15:34:42] robert robert: from 681$ i have 40% right?
      [26.11.2014 15:34:48] Aleksi Partanen: yes
      [26.11.2014 15:35:25] Aleksi Partanen: We'll see after like
      [26.11.2014 15:35:29] Aleksi Partanen: 1 month
      [26.11.2014 15:35:46] Aleksi Partanen: if you're still in profit you can make cashout if you want
      [26.11.2014 15:37:25] robert robert: so right naw i cant get any off my profit?
      [26.11.2014 15:38:45] Aleksi Partanen: I think better not cashout yet because we just started
      [26.11.2014 15:39:16] robert robert: but u have to see this from mi perpective
      [26.11.2014 15:39:38] Aleksi Partanen: normally in stake cashouts are done after each month unless agreed otherwise
      [26.11.2014 15:39:50] robert robert: u have agree to chop any time if i have more than 300$ dayly+
      [26.11.2014 15:40:30] robert robert: becaz playng naw i play also with my parth of my profit right?
      [26.11.2014 15:41:12] Aleksi Partanen: yes, but it's also "not really your money yet"
      [26.11.2014 15:41:20] Aleksi Partanen: you played 17 tournaments yesterday
      [26.11.2014 15:41:38] Aleksi Partanen: EV for that maybe +51$
      [26.11.2014 15:41:58] Aleksi Partanen: it's very likely that you loose some of it back
      [26.11.2014 15:42:43] Aleksi Partanen: So I think after month at stake is best.
      [26.11.2014 15:44:02] Aleksi Partanen: This is why we always make a staking agreenment.
      [26.11.2014 15:44:42] Aleksi Partanen: I'll finish it today so we can avoid stuff like this in future.
      [26.11.2014 15:44:55] robert robert: ok


      So in total Robert owes us 1000$ + 0,60 x 681,28$ = 1408,60$. He has no plan to pay this back so this is why I'm making this thread.
      If anyone has any relevant information or anything that would help, I hope you contact me.

      His friends in same city:
      http://i.imgur.com/SNaFzoe.jpg
      http://i.imgur.com/q4JOpdj.jpg
      http://i.imgur.com/esV9520.jpg

      If some of this people are in your friendlist I hope you can send them link to this thread. Social pressure might
      make him change his mind. I send message to someone in his family, but he just blocked me. I've also tried to call
      his cell phone, but he doesn't answer my calls.
  • 17 replies
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Full list of his nicknames:

      pokerstars: elninio7773

      WH: Robert1Win

      888: vinia777

      Ongame: HappySunday
    • cuore2010
      cuore2010
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.12.2010 Posts: 2,796
      Hi.
      I think SHE use her boyfriend name to lie to you...pokerstars: elninio7773 and 888: vinia777 are the nicknames of a GIRL: http://ro.pokerstrategy.com/community/profile/sunsun28/
      http://ro.pokerstrategy.com/forum/search.php?action=user&username=sunsun28

      Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lavinia.gava/friends


      She has many scores on mtts, but for a while she started to get money by cheating, first on to some friends maded from poker game, now I see through other methods.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,910
      Hi, all.
      This is extremely unfortunate .
      I reviewed you staking offer:
      Staking MTT players

      I do not see a request from the user L777LF in that thread.
      L777LF does not have 300 posts in the English community, so should have been ineligible.

      I do hope that L777LF takes note and realizes that his (or her) good reputation is worth far more than a few dollars.

      I've moved this thread to the Staking forum where it belongs.

      Kind regards,
      VS
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Publicat iniţial de cuore2010
      Hi.
      I think SHE use her boyfriend name to lie to you...pokerstars: elninio7773 and 888: vinia777 are the nicknames of a GIRL: http://ro.pokerstrategy.com/community/profile/sunsun28/
      http://ro.pokerstrategy.com/forum/search.php?action=user&username=sunsun28

      Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lavinia.gava/friends


      She has many scores on mtts, but for a while she started to get money by cheating, first on to some friends maded from poker game, now I see through other methods.

      I think the accounts are made for this guy, because he/she had no problem to give passwords to accounts when I asked. I don't know if it was guy or girl playing he/she had kind of high pitch in his/her voice so I don't know.

      Seems that I'm not the first one who has been cheated.

      [1.12.2014 23:13:08] xxx: well
      [1.12.2014 23:13:16] xxx: you got scam by a girl bro
      [1.12.2014 23:13:19] xxx: i know her
      [1.12.2014 23:13:24] xxx: si scam me too
      [1.12.2014 23:13:36] xxx: not for so mutch but still...
      [1.12.2014 23:13:50] xxx: https://www.facebook.com/lavinia.gava?fref=ts
      [1.12.2014 23:13:54] xxx: this is the bitch
      [1.12.2014 23:14:04] xxx: and that moron is her boifriend
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      Hi, all.
      This is extremely unfortunate .
      I reviewed you staking offer:
      Staking MTT players

      I do not see a request from the user L777LF in that thread.
      L777LF does not have 300 posts in the English community, so should have been ineligible.

      I do hope that L777LF takes note and realizes that his (or her) good reputation is worth far more than a few dollars.

      I've moved this thread to the Staking forum where it belongs.

      Kind regards,
      VS

      Most of the applications I've got threw community tool, because most of the people don't have enough forum posts etc. Most of people we deny for various reasons, and as well in this case
      I had bad feeling about this, but decide to stake him/her anyway. Of course this could been avoided by being more careful, but sometimes you want to take risks. In this case our loss was pretty minimal 500$ for both + profits which we can afford, but of course it's not nice to be cheated.
    • BotiaKiraly
      BotiaKiraly
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.03.2009 Posts: 461
      This is some very nasty stuff, and brings a general bad name for romanians(not that we had a good one to start with, glad that I'm Hungarian citizen as well now...).

      But I went through some of the discussions and it seemed like a risky stakee, he was kind of begging, and Idunno but the fact that he is so retard in basic English is a let down too. I mean wtf: "becaz playng naw i play also with my parth of my profit"

      Anyway I'm gonna write on his and her FB in romanian, doubt it will help though.
    • cuore2010
      cuore2010
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.12.2010 Posts: 2,796
      Originally posted by BotiaKiraly
      This is some very nasty stuff, and brings a general bad name for romanians(not that we had a good one to start with, glad that I'm Hungarian citizen as well now...)
      This is not cool from you:s_mad:
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,910
      Hi, all,
      In situations like this it is very important to maintain a professional approach.

      This is not the first staking deal that went sour, and unfortunately it will not be the last.

      It is up the ones providing the money to be careful about who they accept.

      The goal is to encourage the member to make good his debt.

      Let us all do our best to be civil and courteous while we work through this.

      Peace,
      VS
    • Lazza61
      Lazza61
      Headadmin
      Headadmin
      Joined: 23.03.2011 Posts: 9,219
      Hey partane,

      I had to edit some of the more sensitive information out of your post as it breaches our privacy policy. We promise in our Terms and Conditions to protect the sensitive information of our members and this includes revealing this information on our boards.

      The reason we insist on a 300 post minimum is to allow our stakers to see some history of potential stakees AND also to stop 'Hit 'N' Runners'.

      I sincerely hope you manage to recover your losses.

      Regards

      Laz
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Originally posted by Lazza61
      The reason we insist on a 300 post minimum is to allow our stakers to see some history of potential stakees AND also to stop 'Hit 'N' Runners'.
      I don't understand why this 300 posts missing, keeps coming up. We use much more strong ways to check peoples identity (ID, account passwords etc.). In this case I don't think it would make any difference. Girl (Sunsun28) has more than 700 posts and he/she could apply stake from me and result would be the same? I also don't understand why you don't close their accounts, since there's plenty of proof they have done this.

      My point is not to cast myself as a victim here. I did know this was high-risk stake and decide to take it. We only invested 500$ each, which is something we both make back in 1 session. And even I would like to take this further unfortunately I think it's not worth of my time. I post this thread to warn other people and maybe see if there's some people who could help us to figure out ways to get our money back.
    • UPAY4DINNER
      UPAY4DINNER
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.09.2009 Posts: 21,926
      What good is closing their accounts?

      In the past, people here have repented and paid back what the had owed and I'm talking about thousands and thousands of dollars.

      Closing the account prevents this opportunity even if there is little chance of it happening.

      The 300 post rule has a purpose as well and generally (not always) is a good indicator of someone's background even it's merely basic.

      Shame that this has happened, I dislike stories like these and I don't work for this company any more.
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER
      What good is closing their accounts?

      In the past, people here have repented and paid back what the had owed and I'm talking about thousands and thousands of dollars.

      Closing the account prevents this opportunity even if there is little chance of it happening.

      The 300 post rule has a purpose as well and generally (not always) is a good indicator of someone's background even it's merely basic.

      Shame that this has happened, I dislike stories like these and I don't work for this company any more.
      My point was that if Pokerstrategy thinks 300 posts is some kind of verification method why is her account still open. For L777LF it probably makes no difference, because always possible to make another account. There was also this "black list" in Romanian stake forum, but didn't see her or his name there. I don't think it benefits anyone if Pokerstrategy staff over and over again tries to tell like "If you would followed our staking rules, this would have had not happen".
    • BotiaKiraly
      BotiaKiraly
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.03.2009 Posts: 461
      This is not cool from you:s_mad:
      Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone, but it is a fact that Romanians have a bad reputation, and I am glad cause I am a Hungarian minority here and we got allowed double citizenship, and being a Hungarian citizen comes with a lot more benefits than a Romanian... that's all

      I have nothing against Romanians, I think there are a lot of bad stereotypes which were caused by a very small amount of Romanian people, and it is sad, that because of these assholes Romanians do not have that good of an image.

      sorry for going offtopic...
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Originally posted by BotiaKiraly
      This is not cool from you:s_mad:
      Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone, but it is a fact that Romanians have a bad reputation, and I am glad cause I am a Hungarian minority here and we got allowed double citizenship, and being a Hungarian citizen comes with a lot more benefits than a Romanian... that's all

      I have nothing against Romanians, I think there are a lot of bad stereotypes which were caused by a very small amount of Romanian people, and it is sad, that because of these assholes Romanians do not have that good of an image.

      sorry for going offtopic...

      Bit off topic... But I think it has more to do with stuff like Avg. Income, Education and of course it's somewhat about culture as well. In Europe smallest income per month is 143€ (Ukraine) and Romania it's around 400€. People from poor countries tend to focus on short-term when people from welfare state are maybe more long-term oriented. For example Robert/Latvinia who ever he/she is, is right now doing really bad decisions long term EV. One of the stupidest things to do is to cheat someone 1k€ who can teach you how to make 30k€+/year. But again it's different logic for dumb and uneducated people. I don't think many highly intelligent people would consider career as a pickpocket.

      For this reason of course I would say, I'm more likely to trust someone from Germany, Norway, UK than Romania. On the other hand I don't want to encourage any stereotypes here, because every country has good people and low lives.
    • Lazza61
      Lazza61
      Headadmin
      Headadmin
      Joined: 23.03.2011 Posts: 9,219
      Hey partane,

      Where the hell did you get 'verification' from. I posted.
      The reason we insist on a 300 post minimum is to allow our stakers to see some history of potential stakees AND also to stop 'Hit 'N' Runners'
      Do NOT misrepresent my post. If you can't accept our terms this thread WILL be closed.

      Regards

      Laz
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Originally posted by Lazza61
      Hey partane,

      Where the hell did you get 'verification' from. I posted.
      The reason we insist on a 300 post minimum is to allow our stakers to see some history of potential stakees AND also to stop 'Hit 'N' Runners'
      Do NOT misrepresent my post. If you can't accept our terms this thread WILL be closed.

      Regards

      Laz
      So do you mean that if someone sends me a friend request, applies for stake and has less than 300 posts in forum. It's against forum rules to stake him/her?
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,910
      Originally posted by partane
      So do you mean that if someone sends me a friend request, applies for stake and has less than 300 posts in forum. It's against forum rules to stake him/her?
      Hi, partane,
      It is not our place to tell stakers what they can or cannot do with their own money.
      By staking someone with less than 300 posts you break no rules. You assume all risks of whatever decision you choose to make.

      [b]HOWEVER[/B] The applicant is breaking the first bullet of rule #2 by applying for a stake when they do not meet the criteria. Furthermore, they are breaking rule #18 by applying for a stake outside the staking forum. This should raise warning flags for stakers.

      The purpose of the 300 posts is only so that potential stakers can review the applicant's contribution to the community, and make a slightly more informed decision.

      Best regards,
      VS