[NL20-NL50] NL25 TT Okay to call against shorty?

    • JVV
      JVV
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.05.2008 Posts: 197
      Known players:
      SB:
      $24.15
      BB:
      $24.50
      UTG:
      $5.00
      UTG+2:
      $36.00
      Hero:
      $24.65
      MP2:
      $5.00
      MP3:
      $27.35
      CO:
      $25.70
      BU:
      $5.15

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T:heart: , T:spade:
      UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, MP2 raises to $5.00 (All-In), 5 folds, Hero calls $4.00.

      Flop: ($10.35) 8:club: , A:heart: , K:diamond:
      Turn: ($10.35) 8:heart:
      River: ($10.35) A:club:


      Final Pot: $10.35

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, aces and tens (Th Ts)
      MP2 shows two pairs, aces and jacks (Jh Jd)

      MP2 wins with two pairs, aces and jacks (Jh Jd)
  • 5 replies
    • texbball33
      texbball33
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      Joined: 20.05.2008 Posts: 67
      I think it depends on the shorty, how has he been playing up to this point? Some of the guys will shove any A or K, and some shove small pp's. If his pfr is high then it's an obvious call, if he's tight I'd say 10-10 is at the bottom of your range for calling. You have to call 4 to win ~6 so your equity has to be better than 67% to call.


      I'm bored so I threw it in the Equilator,


      Equity Hand
      Player 1: 62.750 % TsTh
      Player 2: 37.250 % 22+, A5s+, KTs+, A5o+, KTo+

      10-10 is a no to calling against this range for the short stack which represents ~15% of all hands, obviously if their range is tighter you should be too. Here's JJ.

      Equity Hand
      Player 1: 66.721 % JsJh
      Player 2: 33.279 % 22+, A2s+, KTs+, A2o+, KTo+

      JJ gets us to 67% which is exactly what we need to call against this range. BTW AKo=63% and AKs=65%. I guess this is why Short Stack Strategy can work so well, they need us to call them with 1010 and big A's so they can win...It looks like fold and wait for a better spot is the best advice. Also this should remind us to never sit to the right of a short stack.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      If he is tight then fold is more correct.
      If he is unknown then call is fine.
    • carebax
      carebax
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      Joined: 04.03.2007 Posts: 73
      @ texbball33: you have to call 4 to win 10 right, so you're equity only has to be 40%...? (or am I leveling myself)

      Anywho, I _never_ fold AQ+ and TT+ against shorties, AJ and 99 are close and probably depend on opponent and position (and whether I already have money invested).
    • Marky84
      Marky84
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      Joined: 11.07.2007 Posts: 186
      Originally posted by carebax
      @ texbball33: you have to call 4 to win 10 right, so you're equity only has to be 40%...? (or am I leveling myself)
      after the shove there's $6 (actually $6.35) in the pot, you have to call $4 for that $6
    • texbball33
      texbball33
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      Joined: 20.05.2008 Posts: 67
      that's kind of why I got into that so far last night. I started out thinking it was call 4 to win 10 and the equity would only need to be 40%. David Sklansky set me straight in his NLH theory book, and the results in the equilator surprised me. TT+ is too loose to call.