Do you find this fair?

    • Rtwice
      Rtwice
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      Joined: 27.09.2014 Posts: 33
      I don't like the fact that some poker tools, such as pokertracker, show you your opponent's mucked hand. In a live game it wouldn't happen. If I don't want to show my hand and I don't have to, it has to be so.

      Am I right?
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    • ilostmysoul
      ilostmysoul
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      Joined: 28.12.2014 Posts: 78
      Yea I think you are. It's useful information and people can use it to read you, and you have your every right to do so.
      No tools needed tho. I don't know if this works on PCs, but on the mobile version of PokerStars, if 2 players reach showdown and 1 of them mucks, you can see his/her hand on the "Replay Last Hand" thingy.

      I use that a lot but I also would hate to have it used against me.
    • Ramble
      Ramble
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 1,423
      Hey guys, a couple of comments...

      • Poker tools can't show you hands that the poker site didn't allow you to see, so it is not the tool, but the poker site.
      • Most sites will let you automatically set an auto-muck hands feature - but you have to understand how this works. It just sets the cards to automatically not show instead of asking you each time if you want to show.
      • The thing is though that if you are in a pot that goes to showdown (i.e. either you each check or someone calls a bet), your opponent has the right to see your cards - so if they go on "replay last hand" it will show. The only way an opponent doesn't get to look at your cards is if you fold to a bet.


      Hope this clarifies a bit.
    • Harrier88
      Harrier88
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      Joined: 01.05.2012 Posts: 1,971
      Good points, Ramble.
    • MichFran
      MichFran
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      Joined: 22.07.2007 Posts: 156
      Yes, how should Poker Tracker read the hand if it wasn't told by the client :)
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      The Affiliated Poker Site "PKR" does not allow mucked hands to be seen at all.
      If it bothers you that some sites show mucked hands, play at PKR.

      Peace,
      VS
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,038
      Originally posted by Rtwice
      I don't like the fact that some poker tools, such as pokertracker, show you your opponent's mucked hand. In a live game it wouldn't happen. If I don't want to show my hand and I don't have to, it has to be so.

      Am I right?
      In a live game any player involved in a hand can request cards to be shown that have reached showdown. People usually don't do it because of the 'etiquette' but by the rules you can do so.
    • grbell
      grbell
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      Joined: 31.05.2014 Posts: 102
      You can show mucked hands on PKR but there is a switch as an option to never show mucked hands. I'm not sure if shown mucked hands are recorded on Pokertracker/HM.
    • Rtwice
      Rtwice
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      Joined: 27.09.2014 Posts: 33
      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      Originally posted by Rtwice
      I don't like the fact that some poker tools, such as pokertracker, show you your opponent's mucked hand. In a live game it wouldn't happen. If I don't want to show my hand and I don't have to, it has to be so.

      Am I right?
      In a live game any player involved in a hand can request cards to be shown that have reached showdown. People usually don't do it because of the 'etiquette' but by the rules you can do so.
      I didn't know that. That explains something.

      Thanks everybody.
    • hardlife66
      hardlife66
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      Joined: 07.10.2014 Posts: 150
      People on cash tables are there to win cash off the other players so they use any edge they can get, specially if they're multi-tabling.
    • htghguuh
      htghguuh
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      Joined: 02.01.2014 Posts: 146
      Yea but in some brick and mortar tourneys,YOU may nt check the nuts,So you have to show:f_drink: