Should i move up from micro to avoid 'killer' rake on pstars?

    • inflames86
      Joined: 03.01.2015 Posts: 2
      Hi folks,

      I usually play tournament poker religiously but never think of touching cash games. But 4 days ago i decided to change that and try my luck at zoom. and it's been really fun actually love the pace of it. I am a novice at cash.

      I was looking into what a good BB/100 is at zoom 0.01/0.02 and some advice i found online suggested to move up quick in the stakes because the rake is a killer at that level compared to higher stakes. is this true?

      I tried looking at the evidence on pokerstars website
      but the info seems to contradict this advice... with the rake at my level being 3.5% compared to the higher levels. so am i doing things right?

      At the minute i'm making around 17 bb/100 with around 15k hands... which im happy with i think but wondering if moving up will increase my profit by reducing the rake?
  • 4 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,850
      moving up should increase your profit because you're a winning player who is playing for higher stakes. i wouldn't think of rake as being one of the deciding factors
    • Jan217
      Joined: 02.01.2009 Posts: 626
      17 bb/100 is very good, although you probabely ran pretty hot during those 15k hands, so true winrate is most likely a bit less. If you feel you are crushing it and you have the bankroll there is no reason not to take a shot at the higher limit, just make sure you move back down if you lose a few buyins and start to feel uncomfortable
    • inflames86
      Joined: 03.01.2015 Posts: 2
      Yeah I will try and move up when I can, my main concern was really the rake being too high in micro? or is that just something thats not true?

      I know also 17bb is pretty good from my quick search online. some people were stating crazy limits of 40bb/100 which seemed insane to achieve.
      In helping to see if infact I am running 'shit hot' at the minute or its actually just good poker play. can someone tell me is the 'C all-in adjusted' a measure of my luck or lack of it?

      I'm attachin my graph, and as you can see when i started winning pretty well at around 13.5k hands, my 'C won' overtakes my 'C all-in adjusted'

      Does that mean i have been getting lucky lately?
    • VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,828
      Hi, inflames86,
      Welcome to!

      I followed the link you gave, and looked at not just the rate, but the cap for 5+ players, since I play 6-max
      As you can see, that although the rake for NL2 is only 3.5%, you have to have a pot of 400 BB + before it caps out.
      I don't see many pots that large.

      It is even worse at NL5 it seems. Now you need nearly 500 BB in the pot before the rake caps.
      It improves steadily from NL10 to NL50, at which point if two players are all in, the rake is applying to only slightly more than half the pot.

      Interesting -- I never looked at it that way before...

                             Stakes        BB    % Rake     Cap    Cap in BB    MinPot  
                       $0.01/$0.02:      0.02     3.50%    0.30       428.57      8.57  
                       $0.02/$0.05:      0.05     4.15%    1.00       481.93     24.10  
        $0.05/$0.10 to $0.08/$0.16:      0.10     4.50%    1.50       333.33     33.33  
                       $0.10/$0.25:      0.25     4.50%    2.00       177.78     44.44  
                       $0.25/$0.50:      0.50     4.50%    2.50       111.11     55.56  
                 $0.50/$1 to $3/$6:      1.00     4.50%    2.80        62.22     62.22  
                 $5/$10 to $10/$20:     10.00     4.50%    3.00         6.67     66.67  
                           $25/$50:     50.00     4.50%    5.00         2.22    111.11  
                           $50/100:    100.00     4.50%    5.00         1.11    111.11  
               $100/$200 and above:    200.00     4.50%    5.00         0.56    111.11  

      Best wishes for a peaceful, prosperous 2015,