Hand reading 101 with Bogdan, the next two Sundays

    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey guys,

      I will have a mini series (2 coachings) based around hand reading.

      In the first session we will go over the basics, examples, challenges and .... homework.

      In the second session we will go over your homework and continue our discussion about hand reading with the Funnel Principle.

      Looking forward to seeing you guys on Sunday.

      Bogdan
  • 17 replies
    • joey1toe
      joey1toe
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.10.2010 Posts: 370
      Awesome, looking forward to it :s_thumbsup:
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      If you guys want to post some hands for today's session feel free to post them right here.

      See you guys soon !
    • pok3ras
      pok3ras
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.12.2014 Posts: 61
      €0.01/€0.02 No Limit Holdem
      iPoker
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Player10 (€1.01) 51bb VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 72
      UTG+1 Player1 (€3.59) 180bb VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 72
      CO Player3 (€3.38) 169bb VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 41
      BTN Player5 (€0.71) 36bb VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 6.5, Hands: 76
      SB rommyca18 (€2.19) 110bb VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 8925
      BB Player8 (€1.39) 70bb VPIP: 35, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2.8, Hands: 151

      Pre-Flop: (€0.03, 6 players) rommyca18 is SB A:diamond: 9:spade:
      4 folds, rommyca18 raises to €0.04, Player8 calls €0.02

      Flop: 8:diamond: 7:diamond: 6:spade: (€0.08, 2 players)
      rommyca18 bets €0.06, Player8 calls €0.06

      Turn: 5:diamond: (€0.20, 2 players)
      rommyca18 bets €0.16, Player8 raises to €0.32, rommyca18 calls €0.16

      River: A:club: (€0.84, 2 players)
      rommyca18 checks, Player8 bets €0.16, rommyca18 calls €0.16

      Final Pot: €1.16
      Player8 shows
      9:diamond: K:diamond:

      Player8 wins €1.09 (net +€0.51)

      rommyca18 lost €0.58


      Can we make the call after de turn min raise of the villain? We beat a lots of hands but also when a calling station makes a raise we have to run
    • pok3ras
      pok3ras
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      Joined: 25.12.2014 Posts: 61
      The type of hand where i dont know what to do... To bet on the flop or not? We should make a pot control play?
      €0.01/€0.02 No Limit Holdem
      iPoker
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG martak8855 (€5.70) 285bb
      UTG+1 MONSTROLEG (€0.80) 40bb
      CO haregxc (€0.75) 38bb
      BTN rommyca18 (€2.03) 102bb
      SB foxnews1 (€2.31) 116bb
      BB MrGoodcat (€2.14) 107bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.03, 6 players) rommyca18 is BTN K:club: K:spade:
      1 fold, MONSTROLEG calls €0.02, haregxc raises to €0.06, rommyca18 raises to €0.18, 2 folds, MONSTROLEG folds, haregxc calls €0.12

      Flop: 2:heart: 8:club: A:club: (€0.41, 2 players)
      haregxc checks, rommyca18 checks

      Turn: 3:diamond: (€0.41, 2 players)
      haregxc bets €0.06, rommyca18 calls €0.06

      River: 2:spade: (€0.53, 2 players)
      haregxc bets €0.06, rommyca18 calls €0.06

      Final Pot: €0.65
      haregxc shows
      Q:diamond: 8:diamond:
      rommyca18 shows
      K:club: K:spade:

      rommyca18 wins €0.61 (net +€0.31)

      MONSTROLEG lost €0.02
      haregxc lost €0.30
    • joey1toe
      joey1toe
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.10.2010 Posts: 370
      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $3.77 (188.5 bb)
      BB: $0.69 (34.5 bb)
      UTG: $2 (100 bb)
      Hero (MP): $3.02 (151 bb)
      CO: $3.30 (165 bb)
      BTN: $1.60 (80 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.15) 3 9 A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

      Turn: ($0.35) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.24, BTN raises to $0.48, Hero calls $0.24

      River: ($1.31) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.96 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.96

      Results:
      $3.23 pot ($0.11 rake)
      Final Board: 3 9 A 8 5
      Hero showed Q A and lost (-$1.60 net)
      BTN showed 5 5 and won $3.12 ($1.52 net)


      Judging by stack size villain seems fishy, can't fold turn, should I fold river?
    • joey1toe
      joey1toe
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.10.2010 Posts: 370
      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $1.94 (97 bb)
      Hero (BB): $3.87 (193.5 bb)
      UTG: $1.42 (71 bb)
      MP: $3.10 (155 bb)
      CO: $1.97 (98.5 bb)
      BTN: $7.76 (388 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A T
      UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.10, UTG folds, MP calls $0.08, SB folds

      Flop: ($0.24) T 6 J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.17, MP calls $0.17

      Turn: ($0.58) 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.28, MP raises to $0.66, Hero folds

      Results:
      $1.14 pot ($0.04 rake)
      Final Board: T 6 J 4
      Hero mucked A T and lost (-$0.55 net)
      MP mucked and won $1.10 ($0.55 net)


      MP: 25/20 over 91 hands, better idea to x/c or x/f on the turn?
    • HappyCatz
      HappyCatz
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.08.2011 Posts: 558
      €0.05/€0.10 No Limit Holdem
      Prima
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Player6 (€14.71) 147bb
      UTG+1 Player1 (€3.31) 33bb
      CO Player2 (€19.62) 196bb
      BTN HappyCatz (€10.20) 102bb
      SB Player4 (€10) 100bb
      BB Player5 (€10) 100bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.15, 6 players) HappyCatz is BTN A:club: K:spade:
      Player6 raises to €0.20, 2 folds, HappyCatz calls €0.20, 2 folds

      Flop: Q:spade: 7:spade: K:diamond: (€0.55, 2 players)
      Player6 bets €0.10, HappyCatz raises to €0.45, Player6 calls €0.35

      Turn: 7:club: (€1.45, 2 players)
      Player6 checks, HappyCatz bets €1.10, Player6 raises to €2.90, HappyCatz calls €1.80

      River: 6:heart: (€7.25, 2 players)
      Player6 bets €1.90, HappyCatz calls €1.90

      Final Pot: €11.05


      Player6 wins €10.50 (net +€5.05)

      HappyCatz collects €0.00 (net -€5.45)
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      Villain fish - 60/31 in 361 hs , cbet 64, cbet call vs raise 60 (5), .

      I am mostly interested in hand reading. Could we have easily fold on turn or river?
    • HappyCatz
      HappyCatz
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.08.2011 Posts: 558
      €0.05/€0.10 No Limit Holdem
      Prima
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Player2 (€9.52) 95bb
      UTG+1 Player3 (€10.81) 108bb
      CO Player4 (€10.30) 103bb
      BTN Player5 (€10.56) 106bb
      SB HappyCatz (€10) 100bb
      BB Player1 (€17.70) 177bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.15, 6 players) HappyCatz is SB Q:spade: J:diamond:
      Player2 calls €0.10, 3 folds, HappyCatz raises to €0.40, 1 fold, Player2 calls €0.30

      Flop: 4:heart: K:diamond: 9:diamond: (€0.90, 2 players)
      HappyCatz bets €0.45, Player2 calls €0.45

      Turn: 3:diamond: (€1.80, 2 players)
      HappyCatz bets €1.20, Player2 calls €1.20

      River: 10:club: (€4.20, 2 players)
      HappyCatz bets €2.10, Player2 raises to €4.30, HappyCatz calls €2.20

      Final Pot: €12.80







      Again...i am very interested in the handreading. Only a flush would played that river like that?

      Villain unknwon, anonymous tables, not full stack..might be fish.
    • HappyCatz
      HappyCatz
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.08.2011 Posts: 558
      €0.05/€0.10 No Limit Holdem
      Prima
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Player3 (€4.64) 46bb
      CO HappyCatz (€10) 100bb
      BTN Player6 (€10) 100bb
      SB Player1 (€10.67) 107bb
      BB Player2 (€9.95) 100bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.15, 5 players) HappyCatz is CO 2:heart: 2:spade:
      Player3 calls €0.10, HappyCatz raises to €0.30, Player6 calls €0.30, 2 folds, Player3 calls €0.20

      Flop: 4:spade: 8:spade: 2:club: (€1.05, 3 players)
      Player3 checks, HappyCatz checks, Player6 bets €0.70, Player3 folds, HappyCatz raises to €2, Player6 calls €1.30

      Turn: J:club: (€5.05, 2 players)
      HappyCatz bets €2.90, Player6 calls €2.90

      River: K:spade: (€10.85, 2 players)
      HappyCatz bets €4.80, Player6 folds

      Final Pot: €10.85

      HappyCatz wins €19.91 (net +€9.91)

      Player3 collects €0.00 (net -€0.30)
      Player6 lost €5.20
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      Again, please help with handreading. What should i have done on that river? I simply gambled and bet the river.

      Stats - 26/21 in 630 hs , 3b 5.4, ftocbet 60, ftoturnbet 100 (1),
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Homework:


      Information: SB: nit ; BB: 75/20 after 140 hands. Seems passive. Effective stacks 150 BB. Villain has been seen making big calls with TPNK type hands.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with :Ah: :6h:
      3 folds, Hero raises 3 BB, 2 folds, BB calls

      Flop: (4.5 BB):Jd: ,:9h: ,:3s: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls

      Turn: (10.5 BB) :5h: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 7.5 BB, BB calls

      River: (25.5 BB) :2h: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets xx BB

      Part 1: Apply the ideas discussed in this coaching

      Part 2: List villain’s range

      Part 3: How much should hero bet on the river?
    • Fiftage588
      Fiftage588
      Global
      Joined: 01.04.2014 Posts: 1,726
      PF:

      his coldcall is 75-20=55 overall, from BB it will be bigger lets say like 64% range , i removed hands i expected him to 3bet with


      F:

      OTF: i expect him to call any GSs, OCs, PP, pair... any BDFD, pretty wide...


      T:

      OTT: well , still prety wide, anything that has something , lel , its fish, though i dont have info how much station he is or is he fit or folder.. so since u didnt gave me info, i assume a station ,
      so range he calls turn with :


      R:

      OTR i expect him to call/raise with:


      i d slightly overbet lol , since he calls big with TPNK , and worse flushes, which is 20% of his range as seen in pic below, will raise/stackoff anyway , so dont need to shove myself and loose value from all those 1P+ up to straight hands


    • HappyCatz
      HappyCatz
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.08.2011 Posts: 558
      Preflop :

      We take out aprox 10% of his 70% range because villain is OOP, we steal 3x and not smaller and because we assume that he 3bets AK and QQ+. So his preflop range looks like this




      Flop :

      We are pretty behind on that flop and we dont have too much hand equity. That means that our cbet is more a bluff bet and we hope to use our fold equity. But using fold equity against a passive fish seems wrong to me. But we have position and when he checks...well....we cbet trying to represent some good hands there.

      He will call our cbet with 2pairs, sets, TP, 2nd pair-3rd pair(pp), OESD, gutshots, maybe a few BDFD hands and a few A high type hands,


      Turn

      We get some hand equity on the turn and we close up on him with 45-55%. When he check/calls again i think we can get out of his range powerfull hands like 2pairs or sets. They usually minrr those hands on the turn. He will also fold the few A high and BDFD that missed. Now we are 49-51% still in his favour.



      River:

      So..on the river all his left draws miss (he might still have 2-3 combos of A4s that now made a str8) and his range is made mostly out of TP and 2nd pairs. Considering that he makes big calls with TPNK and that he also might have some str8ts with which he surelly would stackoff and that we are 150 bbs deep, i would bet an overbet of something like 50% of our remaining stacks ~ 65bbs. I would NOT shove becuse the board is rather wet with lots of combos that beat a TP type hand. He might still fold sometimes. If the board was dryer Shove is ok.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Make sure to get your submissions in ASAP.
      We need to choose a guest speaker for Sunday's coaching !!!
    • HappyCatz
      HappyCatz
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.08.2011 Posts: 558
      €0.05/€0.10 No Limit Holdem
      Prima
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Player4 (€5.36) 54bb
      UTG+1 HappyCatz (€15.92) 159bb
      CO Player6 (€2.85) 29bb
      BTN Player1 (€8.81) 88bb
      SB Player2 (€16.94) 169bb
      BB Player3 (€10.42) 104bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.15, 6 players) HappyCatz is UTG+1 Q:club: Q:diamond:
      1 fold, HappyCatz raises to €0.30, 1 fold, Player1 calls €0.30, 1 fold, Player3 calls €0.20

      Flop: 6:heart: 10:club: 8:club: (€0.95, 3 players)
      Player3 bets €0.47, HappyCatz raises to €1.40, Player1 folds, Player3 raises to €2.33, HappyCatz raises to €7.94, Player3 goes all-in €10.12, HappyCatz calls €2.18

      Turn: 5:diamond: (€21.19, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: K:heart: (€21.19, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: €21.19
      Player3 shows
      8:spade: 6:spade:
      HappyCatz shows
      Q:club: Q:diamond:

      Player3 wins €20.14 (net +€9.72)

      Player1 lost €0.30
      HappyCatz lost €10.42
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      Villain Unknown. What is the correct approach on this?
    • HappyCatz
      HappyCatz
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.08.2011 Posts: 558
      €0.05/€0.10 No Limit Holdem
      Prima
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG HappyCatz (€10.15) 102bb
      UTG+1 Player3 (€11.67) 117bb
      CO Player4 (€11.77) 118bb
      BTN Player5 (€10.28) 103bb
      SB Player6 (€8.11) 81bb
      BB Player1 (€8.41) 84bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.15, 6 players) HappyCatz is UTG 8:heart: 8:diamond:
      HappyCatz raises to €0.40, 3 folds, Player6 calls €0.35, 1 fold

      Flop: 4:club: 6:diamond: 9:club: (€0.90, 2 players)
      Player6 bets €0.45, HappyCatz calls €0.45

      Turn: 8:club: (€1.80, 2 players)
      Player6 bets €1.80, HappyCatz calls €1.80

      River: K:diamond: (€5.40, 2 players)
      Player6 bets €2.70, HappyCatz goes all-in €7.50, Player6 calls €2.76

      Final Pot: €16.32
      HappyCatz shows
      8:heart: 8:diamond:
      Player6 shows
      3:club: 6:club:

      Player6 wins €15.51 (net +€7.40)

      HappyCatz collects €4.08 (net -€6.07)
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      Raise flop?
      Shove turn?
      3. As played call turn, then call river too?

      villain big fish 60/30
    • viliii
      viliii
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.08.2008 Posts: 419
      iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: €1.81 (VPIP: 55.84, PFR: 12.99, 3Bet Preflop: 12.82, Hands: 78)
      CO: €4.00 (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      Hero (BTN): €4.70
      SB: €4.00 (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 85)
      BB: €6.74 (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 52)
      UTG: €5.16 (VPIP: 24.88, PFR: 21.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.05, Hands: 416)

      SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has K:heart: 9:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to €0.10, SB calls €0.08, fold

      Flop: (€0.24, 2 players) 9:spade: A:diamond: K:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets €0.16, SB calls €0.16

      Turn: (€0.56, 2 players) 4:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets €0.44, SB calls €0.44

      River: (€1.44, 2 players) Q:spade:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Hero shows K:heart: 9:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
      (Pre 36%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)
      SB shows J:club: A:heart: (One Pair, Aces)
      (Pre 64%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)
      Hero wins €1.35


      Do you think there is any value betting the river against a regular?
    • seacat22
      seacat22
      Silver
      Joined: 10.08.2013 Posts: 275
      this looked great but could not attend coaching is it going to be a video and when