[NL20-NL50] Nl100 Sh - maniac shoves on river - is it a bluff?

    • kesgab
      Joined: 24.05.2007 Posts: 217
      SB ($100)
      BB ($100)
      UTG ($100)
      Hero ($177)
      BTN ($87.30) 93/13/1.5/14 on 15 hands

      Dealt to Hero J:club: K:club:

      fold, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $4, fold, fold,

      FLOP ($9.50) 6:spade: 9:heart: K:heart:

      Hero bets $6, BTN raises to $12, Hero calls $6,

      TURN ($33.50) 6:spade: 9:heart: K:heart: 5:club:

      check, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4,

      RIVER ($41.50) 6:spade: 9:heart: K:heart: 5:club: 6:diamond:

      check, BTN (almost instantly) bets $67.30, Hero folds,

      our previous hand was this (just for the read):

      SB ($74.30) villain
      BB ($100)
      Hero ($190)

      Dealt to Hero K:heart: A:spade:

      Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $7, fold, Hero calls $3,

      FLOP ($15) 7:club: 5:diamond: 6:heart:

      check, check,

      TURN ($15) 7:club: 5:diamond: 6:heart: 9:spade:

      check, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6,

      RIVER ($27) 7:club: 5:diamond: 6:heart: 9:spade: 4:spade:

      check, check,

      Hero shows K:heart: A:spade:
      (Flop 56.1%, Turn 79.5%)

      SB shows 4:heart: A:heart:
      (Flop 43.9%, Turn 20.5%)

      SB wins $26
  • 4 replies
    • mrjorisa
      Joined: 30.03.2008 Posts: 200
      pf is fine, flop bet about 8$, calling his minraise is fine. i'd check raise the turn. as played, fold on river is fine. just my opinions.
    • DEVILazas
      Joined: 30.04.2008 Posts: 63
      IMHO (and my opinion can be totaly wrong, coz im simple villain as You are) good fold.

      1. to call such river You need to be sure that You will win at least 50% or so (to be profitable in long run). And i fear it is not the case with J as kicker.

      2. if he would bluff, most likely he would do this on the turn and possibly would repeat on river, now his turn looks like more value extraction.

    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      If you think that he is bluffing on the flop, imo it is better 3-bet and get it all-in.
      Board is drawy and you hold top pair.
      Don´t think it gets easier when you have to face big turn and river bet.
    • kesgab
      Joined: 24.05.2007 Posts: 217
      Thanks for the opinions!

      Kaitz, i really like your thoughts here. It's so easy and simple and seems obvious now, but i wouldn't have found it out myself. I learnt something useful here. Thx.