Hand Evaluation Live Coachings for the next 4 weeks (different topic every sessions)

    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey guys,

      I am happy to announce that I will be hosting a new coaching series that will debut this Sunday, February 1st.

      The first part will consist of 4 coaching sessions, between February 1st and 22nd. If you guys enjoy and attend these sessions we will look to make this a regular feature.

      Here's the schedule for the next four Sundays:

      1.2. 17:30 CET: Thin Valuebets - check river or go for value? Post your hands!
      8.2. 17:30 CET: CBet Turn - when to not stop betting! Post your hands!
      15.2. 17:30 CET: 3 Barrels - when to continue bluffing! Post your hands!
      22.2. 17:30 CET: Passive Blinddefense - when to just call! Post your hands!

      Please post your hands below for this weeks coaching with the topic THIN Valuebets.

      Types of hands you should post for the first session:

      - Hands in which you made a thin valuebet and are not sure about it
      - Hands in which you thought of making a thin valuebet but did not
      - Any other hands that have to do with thin valuebetting (on any street).

      Looking forward to seeing as many of you at the coaching as possible.

      Bogdan
  • 29 replies
    • gAsheks
      gAsheks
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.11.2012 Posts: 1,580
      Should i say congratz to new changes? :)

      Its good to see you again on live hand evaluations!

      So lets throw in some hand for participating.
      Villain is a regular. 26/20/14 over 100h. What options do we have on river? We don't have :Kd: which is sad. Also what hands are we targeting by betting. Most likely AJ type hand. Maybe some random :Ad: :Qs: ? Hands like :Td: :Ts: wont call our river bet, neither lower pocket pairs.

      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

      Stacks:
      UTG Player4 ($12.48) 125bb
      UTG+1 Player5 ($12.94) 129bb
      CO Player6 ($6.78) 68bb
      BTN Player1 ($11.74) 117bb
      SB gAsheks ($10.62) 106bb
      BB Player3 ($10.95) 110bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) gAsheks is SB
      3 folds, Player1 raises to $0.28, gAsheks raises to $1, 1 fold, Player1 calls $0.72

      Flop: ($2.10, 2 players)
      gAsheks bets $1, Player1 calls $1

      Turn: ($4.10, 2 players)
      gAsheks bets $2, Player1 calls $2

      River: ($8.10, 2 players)
      Cbet?


      Thanks!
    • Fiftage588
      Fiftage588
      Global
      Joined: 01.04.2014 Posts: 1,726
      iPoker - €0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: 150.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
      BB: 111.4 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 4)
      CO: 166.3 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 24)
      Hero (BTN): 100.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:club:

      fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB

      Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 7:spade: 4:spade: 9:diamond:
      BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

      Turn: (34.5 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
      BB bets 1 BB

      , Hero calls 1 BB

      tho i dont block any FDs with my QQ so i guess its pretty clear vbet then .. tho i didnt want to call shove, tho maybe i should if he shove over my raise OTT?

      River: (36.5 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
      BB bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

      BB shows K:heart: K:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
      (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
      Hero mucks Q:heart: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
      (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
      BB wins 64 BB
    • wg123
      wg123
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      Joined: 05.05.2014 Posts: 2,929
      Hi.
      Are videos from coachings going to be available in video section later? If yes, which status is necessary? Not sure I If I will be able to participate live tomorrow.
    • SvenBe
      SvenBe
      Headadmin
      Headadmin
      Joined: 19.04.2006 Posts: 13,457
      Originally posted by wg123
      Hi.
      Are videos from coachings going to be available in video section later? If yes, which status is necessary? Not sure I If I will be able to participate live tomorrow.
      Yes,gonna be with a bit of delay - silver status for the podcasts,too.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey guys,

      Don't forget to post your hands here before the coaching on Sunday.

      Bogdan
    • gAsheks
      gAsheks
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.11.2012 Posts: 1,580
      Hey Bogdan!

      Since this section doesn't seem to be very active i will ship one more hand.
      SB is complete unknown. We might have stack size tell tho!

      BU is a regular. 21/17/5.6 overall. His 3bet on bu is 6.1%(49). Raise flop cbet 14(7). Bet v missed cbet 75(8).
      I think checking flop should be fine? Would you check/fold if BU bets? Once BU checks i discount all sets and Qx type hands from his range because of the board texture. What could he have? I think villain would bet all his pairs?

      I would expect SB to come over the top with strong hands so most likely he is weak? On turn i failed with my sizing for some reason. Should bet like 1.7-1.80$ probably? Whats BUs range once he calls our turn bet?

      River?



      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem

      Stacks:
      UTG Player4 ($37.46) 150bb
      UTG+1 gAsheks ($37.86) 151bb
      CO Player6 ($48.68) 195bb
      BTN Player1 ($30.78) 123bb
      SB Player2 ($16.15) 65bb
      BB Player3 ($33.19) 133bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) gAsheks is UTG+1
      1 fold, gAsheks raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Player1 calls $0.75, Player2 calls $0.65, 1 fold

      Flop: ($2.50, 3 players)
      Player2 checks, gAsheks checks, Player1 checks

      Turn: ($2.50, 3 players)
      Player2 checks, gAsheks bets $1.40, Player1 calls $1.40, Player2 folds

      River: ($5.30, 2 players)
      Value bet?
    • cristiptz
      cristiptz
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.02.2011 Posts: 1,211
      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2651266
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (BTN): $14.25
      SB: $33.33 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 4.0, Hands: 138
      BB: $9.44 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
      UTG: $13.33 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 0.0, Hands: 46
      MP: $4.90 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 44
      CO: $11.50 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 39

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 9 :club: 9 :spade:
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.75) 2 :heart: 7 :spade: 4 :spade: (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $0.54, CO calls $0.54

      Turn: ($1.83) 5 :club: (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $1.31, CO calls $1.31

      River: ($4.45) 5 :diamond: (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $2.12, CO raises to $6.36, Hero folds

      villain unknown, probably recreational, playing a single table of Zoom

      it's ok a bet on the river? calling the X/R out of discussion with no info. on the river i might get some value from hads like 66,88,A7

      THX!
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey guys,

      Thank you for everyone that has come to our coaching today and to those that have posted hands.

      Next week's topic is: 8.2. 17:30 CET: CBet Turn - when to not stop betting! Post your hands!

      Types of hands you should post for the first session:
      - Flop cbet was made. You are wondering if you should have made a turn CBET as well.
      - Flop and turn cbets were made. You were wondering if you should have made that turn CBET to begin with.
      - You missed cbetting the flop and you are wondering if it would have been been better to bet flop and turn.
      - Any other hands that have to do with cbetting the turn.

      See you guys next Sunday,

      Bogdan
    • wg123
      wg123
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      Hello! Unfortunately I won't be able to participate again (although the topics look very interesting) but I'll definitely watch videos (still waiting for the first part) so I'll post some hands here. I hope it's fine. If there are many hands posted from people who will attend the coaching live and time is missing, just skip mine please :P


      It's a pretty standard steal here. I cbet flop to make fold better hands such as Kx, pocket pairs and if I get a call I still have many outs. The big disadvantage is that I think ace is very often in his range here.
      TURN - This 5 might be scary even for his Ax. I don't think he often has 4x. I decided to continue and I'm not sure if it was correct. My intention was to continue on the river as well even if my FD is busted to make fold most of his aces as well. All pocket pairs, 2x,3x fold here for sure. What about the sizing? Too low?

      His stats (small samples):
      15/10, Call 2bet BTN 1/14, VPIP BTN 2/22, Call 2bet total 8/68,FtCbet 2/3, 180 hands

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: $5.02 (VPIP: 10.42, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 96)
      BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 7.25, 3Bet Preflop: 2.83, Hands: 600)
      UTG: $5.07 (VPIP: 17.30, PFR: 12.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.14, Hands: 429)
      UTG+1: $5.05 (VPIP: 12.07, PFR: 9.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.06, Hands: 526)
      MP: $7.17 (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      Hero (CO): $5.92
      BTN: $6.17 (VPIP: 15.25, PFR: 10.29, 3Bet Preflop: 1.47, Hands: 180)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q:spade: 9:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.31, 2 players) 2:spade: A:club: 3:spade:
      Hero bets $0.22, BTN calls $0.22

      Turn: ($0.75, 2 players) 5:heart:
      Hero bets $0.43, BTN calls $0.43

    • wg123
      wg123
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      Is this a good spot for bluffing? I have a big fold equity on better hands. If he draws I can win it folding him if he doesn't catch. Not a big chance mathematically that he flopped this flush. By betting two or three times hands such as 2x,7x,6x or overpair fold.

      It's FR, some people sat out. Villain is unknown.

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 7.50, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
      BB: $4.00
      Hero (UTG): $6.77
      MP: $5.23 (VPIP: 13.20, PFR: 10.51, 3Bet Preflop: 3.38, Hands: 450)
      CO: $8.06 (VPIP: 12.68, PFR: 6.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 144)
      BTN: $3.64 (VPIP: 23.42, PFR: 2.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 161)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A:club: K:spade:

      Hero raises to $0.17, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.36, 2 players) 2:heart: 7:heart: 6:heart:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.21, BB calls $0.21

      Turn: ($0.78, 2 players) 3:club:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

      Hero wins $1.71
      Rake paid $0.07
    • wg123
      wg123
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      Again. Was this cbet turn correct? Many better hands can fold after two barrels here and this board doesn't hit the range of a player I guess. What about the sizing?

      His stats: 20/8, AFq 32 (from PT4), call steal 2/5, 100 hands

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (CO): $5.16
      BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 18.36, PFR: 13.53, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 207)
      SB: $4.45 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
      BB: $4.44 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 100)
      UTG: $6.22 (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
      UTG+1: $5.07 (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 16.03, 3Bet Preflop: 11.36, Hands: 160)
      MP: $6.07 (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K:club: 5:club:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, BB calls $0.07

      Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 4:heart: 9:diamond: 8:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB calls $0.16

      Turn: ($0.58, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.36, BB calls $0.36

      River: ($1.30, 2 players) K:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.81, fold

      Hero wins $1.25
      Rake paid $0.05
    • dcabello
      dcabello
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.09.2008 Posts: 453
      Hi Bodgan, please consider this hand for your coaching session,

      CO data, VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 2,6, ~5k hands
      BB data, VPIP: 26, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: 1,8, ~6k hands plus {

      wtsd, 28, bet river 32
      this spot is a little bit weird so I dont know what other stat can I give you against this guy
      no reads for his cold calling 3bet range and Im not sure what stuffs can he have here
      }

      At flop I dont see any value on betting, I think that villain can have something like QQ, JJ, AK for cold calling here pre but not sure, so I dont see value here.
      After check back I discard JJ bc it fast play on this texture, maybe he checks back AK for pot control?.
      On turn again I dont see value on betting and my hand can call at least one street, although when he bets his hand doesnt make sense to me other than AK, and even I have some blockers for some weird stuffs like a cold called QTs or some AQdd pre that could choose to slowplay (QTs doesnt make sense for this anyway)

      So given that his range looks so weak and capped here I turn my hand into a bluff, is this good? I guess it is but I would like to hear how to play turn on other run outs if possible and hear something about putting villain on a range pre. thanks !.

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      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $20.42 (204.2 bb)
      CO: $9.70 (97 bb)
      BTN: $4.16 (41.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
      CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.94, BB calls $0.84, CO folds

      Flop: ($2.18) J K 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      Turn: ($2.18) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.66, Hero raises to $6.84, BB folds

      Results:
      $5.50 pot ($0.25 rake)
      Final Board: J K 9 8
      Hero mucked Q Q and won $5.25 ($2.65 net)
      BB mucked and lost (-$2.60 net)
    • gAsheks
      gAsheks
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.11.2012 Posts: 1,580
      I hope this time i wont be late. :facepalm:
      We are playing vs regular. 21/20/5. F3b 50(8). He seem to be opening too wide in SB 87(15). Sample is not big enough to look at more detailed stats.

      When i was playing it was like. "I flopped nuts, i have gutshot, bdfd, 1 garbage overcard." But when you take a closer look at the hand YOU NO GUTSHOT :appl:
      Because of misread hand strength i made flop bet. By betting we can put pressure on his overcards.

      Its like the biggest blank in europe. If i bet probably he will (should?) fold his overs. What about pairs like 88 etc?

      Preflop: Is this hand good enough to flat?


      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem

      Stacks:
      UTG Player4 ($33.21) 133bb
      UTG+1 Player5 ($42.75) 171bb
      CO Player6 ($24.46) 98bb
      BTN Player1 ($27.52) 110bb
      SB Player2 ($25) 100bb
      BB gAsheks ($25.70) 103bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) gAsheks is BB
      4 folds, Player2 raises to $0.62, gAsheks raises to $1.80, Player2 calls $1.18

      Flop: ($3.60, 2 players)
      Player2 checks, gAsheks bets $1.80, Player2 calls $1.80

      Turn: ($7.20, 2 players)
      Player2 checks, Barrel?
    • DjolusVicenus
      DjolusVicenus
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      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 247
      I am at NL10 so I am not sure is mine thinking process good.... Vs those guys I flat 69s I think it have good playability and 3bet worst hands for bluff... hands like J6s or 64s etcc... After his flatting and he folds half time I would be sure that he have some type of 66-JJ KJs+ATs+ hand... First barrle would try to fold out top of his floating range... if he continue I would assume that he continue with pair or he is floating...

      I would check turn(if he didnt belived us on flop, I am quite sure he is not folding turn, and will use it as catching good river), and cbet river as bluff if he check to me.... If river is good for mine range in his mind... Good for mine range would be stuff like Q,K,A...

      That would be mine thinking about that hand...
    • DjolusVicenus
      DjolusVicenus
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 247
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $10.97
      SB:
      $11.11
      BB (Hero):
      $13.73
      MP2:
      $4.75
      MP3:
      $14.00
      CO:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J.
      MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($1.25) T, K, 7 (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, Hero calls $1.20.

      Turn: ($4.85) 4 (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $3.15, CO raises to $8.40(All-In), Hero folds.

      River: ($16.4) Q (2 players)


      Final Pot: $16.4.
      Results follow:

      CO shows three of a kind, sevens(7 7).
      MP2 shows a pair of sevens(9 7).

      CO wins with three of a kind, sevens(7 7).


      I was thinking first to all in flop... THen I changed bc of big sizing to just call... I figured out there is no fold equity for jaming with villans pot bet calling pot bet... On turn I was calllating on spot and calculated that I have around 21% of mine hand to improve and I have pot odds of 3:1 where I need 33% so I folded ... I would hit it on river... but that is not the point ... was fold good? and should this hand be played diffrently ?
    • DjolusVicenus
      DjolusVicenus
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      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 247
      Value bet river Fail. I was thin value betting vs worst 7, like 7x He had KQs... Was that any good?

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU (Hero):
      $10.49
      SB:
      $10.69
      BB:
      $12.64
      MP2:
      $15.76
      MP3:
      $42.14
      CO:
      $12.10


      Preflop: Hero is BU with 7, A.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12.

      Flop: ($0.49) 6, 7, K (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BB calls $0.28.

      Turn: ($1.05) J (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($1.05) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60.

      Final Pot: $2.25.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of sevens(7 A).
      BB shows a pair of kings(K Q).

      BB wins with a pair of kings(K Q).
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Thanks everyone,

      Still taking hands for the coaching !

      See you in a bit !

      Bogdan
    • Corn3r
      Corn3r
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.01.2011 Posts: 308
      OnGame - $0.10 NL FAST (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 44.3 BB (VPIP: 53.09, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 83)
      SB: 68 BB (VPIP: 48.87, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 133)
      BB: 98.4 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
      UTG: 153.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
      Hero (CO): 266.4 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: A:club:

      UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 5 BB

      Flop: (15.5 BB, 2 players) A:spade: 5:club: T:diamond:
      UTG checks, Hero bets 8 BB, UTG calls 8 BB

      Turn: (31.5 BB, 2 players) 4:club:
      UTG checks, Hero bets 16 BB, UTG calls 16 BB

      River: (63.5 BB, 2 players) K:club:
      UTG bets 31.7 BB, Hero calls 31.7 BB

      UTG shows J:club: Q:club: (Flush, King High)

      UTG wins 120.6 BB
    • pok3ras
      pok3ras
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.12.2014 Posts: 61
      V 41/13 Fold to steal 38% 57 hands

      €0.02/€0.05 No Limit Holdem
      PokerStars
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG sara2586 (€4.07) 81bb
      CO barretg366 (€5) 100bb
      BTN rommyca18 (€6.57) 131bb
      SB akram105 (€5.32) 106bb
      BB S.AvsV.V (€4.77) 95bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.07, 5 players) rommyca18 is BTN Q:heart: 10:diamond:
      2 folds, rommyca18 raises to €0.12, 1 fold, S.AvsV.V calls €0.07

      Flop: 8:heart: 2:diamond: 9:heart: (€0.26, 2 players)
      S.AvsV.V checks, rommyca18 checks

      Turn: J:club: (€0.26, 2 players)
      S.AvsV.V checks, rommyca18 bets €0.25, S.AvsV.V calls €0.25

      River: 5:heart: (€0.76, 2 players)
      S.AvsV.V bets €0.72, €0.72 to rommyca18 (€6.2)?
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