This should be the right place for this because of the importance to the poker player!!!

    • saltbeef
      saltbeef
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      Joined: 25.01.2014 Posts: 57
      Ok so we are talking the Twister SNG's. I understand that it can be fun to add a little more gambling to your game and have a chance of winning a big pot. Its much the same as people playing jackpot tables hoping for 4 of a kind or better and willing to pay the extra rake or fee for the chance.

      However just think about if you could win the jackpot every time. This is only theoretical of course, but here is what I mean. For every $10 twister SNG you play and it comes up $20, than you are paying 5 dollars in tournament fees. That is 4 dollars more than the norm. A normal $10 dollar SNG has a $1 fee.

      Now lets say you play 3000 twister games per month. That's 100 per day. Not hard to do for someone who is really into these games. So for every time the wheel comes up on $20, you lose $4 extra dollars more than what you would of if you had played a regular SNG. That's $400 per day and an incredible $12000 per month. Now this is what you have to win to break even!!!

      So do you see my point? Lets say you get lucky and every month you hit a $10000 jackpot and you are lucky enough to go on and win it. You are still down $2000 for the month!!! You still need to make up $2000 with all of your other wins from different $ increments for the month just to break even!!!

      So who is winning with the twister SNG's? The poker room and the poker room only lol!!!

      You can scale this down to any amount all the way to $1 but the results are the same. You can not win long term with these games.

      The wheel comes up $2 100 times per day so you lose .2333 cents more per SNG. $23.333 per day and $700 per month. Not sure what you can max the wheel on a $1 buy in but if you do max it and you are lucky enough to win. Than you still have win the difference between the max win and $700 with all of the other games in different $ increments to break even. You can't beat the math!!! It's the same as the casino games. The odds are already stacked in favor of the house!!!

      Are people going to still play them? Of course but it is for the rush of that spinning wheel. Not for any long term money you are going to win from these games.

      Good Luck At The Tables.

      Your Friendly Neighborhood Newfie
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    • saltbeef
      saltbeef
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      Joined: 25.01.2014 Posts: 57
      Ok just noticed my math was off a lot with the $10 Twisters. The correct math is for every twister you play and it only comes up $20 than you are raked $3.333, so that's $2.333 more than a regular SNG. That's $233.333 per day if playing approximately 100 per day and approximately $7116.666 per month.

      So if you are lucky enough to hit the Jackpot on the wheel and go on to also win the tournament plus multiple wins in your other different $ increment Twisters than you are laughing all the way to the bank.

      Not sure what the odds of that happening are but at $7116.666 per month cost to you in fees if all you hit were $20 jackpots than you most definitely should be keeping track on what the wheel does per month and your win rate.

      Again I think the only winners with these Twisters and Jackpot tables are the house. What do you guys think?
    • Lazza61
      Lazza61
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      Joined: 23.03.2011 Posts: 9,164
      Hey saltbeef,

      tonypmm did a rather detailed analysis of Twister games when they were first introduced. You will find the details (including a lot of juicy math) at Twister - BRM added! (iPoker 3m).

      Cheers

      Laz
    • saltbeef
      saltbeef
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      Joined: 25.01.2014 Posts: 57
      Thanks Laz,
      Very interesting indeed. Some of the posters were doing some math that was way over my head. Never good at algebra where if y = xz than r squared would be a +EV play. lol.

      Thanks Again. Great Read and I am in the house where I agree it's probably more profitable to stick to the HU SNG's than to play Twister but that's not to say it's impossible to get lucky.

      Your Friendly Neighborhood Newfie