Originally posted by hoagy
Terms of Use differ from company to company but for the most part they are similar and clear in that they do not allow the use of any software which uses "Artificial Intelligence"
EG 1
“Assistance Programs” means any artificial intelligence including, without limitation, ‘robots’ and/or any other computer generated program used to interact with the Software in AID or in place of a player.
EG 2
Software Aids: You are not allowed to use any software program or robot which, in our opinion, is endowed with artificial intelligence ("Software Aid") in connection with your use of the Services. We constantly review the use of the Services in order to detect the use of any Software Aid. In the event that we have reasonable suspicion that any Software Aid has been used, we reserve the right to take any action we see fit, including immediately blocking access to the Services to the offending user, terminating such user's account and seizing all monies held in such account.
booomm, you say. "Anything that ressembles to a bot should be banned and policed very strictly in the near future or the games are going to dry real quick"
A previous poster stated he likes to multitable and feels he needs to use software to AID him to do that. Do you think all players like that should be banned? Do you think there should be a ban on all poker software which AIDS a player or just some particular software programs?
When I joined 888 poker they allowed me to download a free poker software called "888poker coach", it uses artificial intelligence to AID me by calculating odds and outs in play faster than my brain can. Do you really think I should be banned for using it?
Please stop it with your nonsense, HUDs and bots are two different things, any winning player knows that. I don't intend to be rude, but if you think huds, bots and "888poker coach" are the same thing, you know nothing about what you are talking about. HEM/PT dosen't take any decisions on the behalf of the players, it gives you statistics to interpret, that you probably can work out with a pen and paper, it would just take you an absurd amount of time. Now you get someone 3betting 15% BB vs OTB for example, you might decide that vilain is 3b a linear range (somehow) while in reality his range is polarized. A good player will notice that pretty quickly and start adjusting, while a poor player will go with his initial assumption and keep losing money, you see this all the time and this is just a simple limited example. 99% of regs are using huds, yet only a few win at 5bb/100+ at low-mid stakes: using a hud is a skill in itself.
You could argue that huds are bad for poker ecology since the recreational players go broke faster and they never come back, but saying that huds are the same as bots is just wrong, they both aid regs to win at a better rate, but there is a big difference between "tools of the business" (player poker for a living is kinda of a business after all) and blatant cheating (bots in case you didn't guess).
and since you consider any software aid the same as bots (therefore should be banned) maybe you should quit online poker since a "free poker software" wich is the poker client you are playing on, makes checking, calling and betting easier and faster than "real life poker".
This has been discussed a million times before, maybe a mod coud move this HUD discussion into a seperate thread? a part from being pointless, we are getting way offtopic here, this thread is supposed to be about bots.