[NL2-NL10] That's why you do NOT slowplay monsters...

    • burek2000
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
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      0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.62 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 3:heart: , 5:spade:
      5 folds, BU calls $0,25, SB calls $0,15, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0,75) K:spade: , 2:heart: , 4:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $0,25, Hero calls $0,25, BU calls $0,25.

      Turn: ($1,50) 9:heart: (3 players)
      SB bets $0,25, Hero calls $0,25, BU raises to $1,25, SB calls $1,00, Hero calls $1,00.

      River: ($5,25) 6:heart: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $3,25 (All-In), BU calls $3,25, SB folds.

      Final Pot: $11,75

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a straight, six high (3h 5s)
      BU shows a pair of aces (As Ac)

      Hero wins with a straight, six high (3h 5s)

  • 4 replies
    • Fongie
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      I'm pretty sure you don't have the odds to call the turn (You need something like 5:1 for an OESD from flop-turn or turn-river). Plus, the heart outs might have to be discounted. You got lucky this time, but I'm pretty sure this is -ev and definately not playing by SSS (with SSS we don't play draws out of free play unless they're monsterdraws aka oesd+flushdraw).

      Flop pot odds: 4:1 (when bu calls its 5:1 which is just enough for an OESD but you couldn't know that when you made the call)

      Turn pot odds after raise: 1.50 + 0.25 + 0.25 + 1.25 + 1 = 4.25:1

      Neither are good enough to call for your OESD.

      Fold flop and fold turn, and don't brag in a misplayed hand :P

      Please correct me if my calculations are wrong also ;)
    • ysessa
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      i would fold the turn against the raise because you only have 6 clean outs. flop call is standard you will always have the implieds.
    • alejandrosh
      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 4,346
      nothing to add since I have to agree with the judge (really? :D )

      take a look at this master slowplay with aces http://weaktight.com/541998
    • burek2000
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong to play draws passively if they're not monster ones...

      About the hand, flop is standard call with the odds I get, on the turn with 4,25:1 odds and with the implied odds is still a profitable call for OESD. With the implied odds I got you will see I am also eligible to make a call with 6 outs since you need 7:1, but I got 4,25+3,25:1 (7,5:1). Plus, when discounting outs you can always have additional outs beside the clean ones. :)