I'm sick of making stupid plays :( bad concentration

    • ilostmysoul
      ilostmysoul
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      Sometimes I play pretty good, crushing NL2 while playing 2 tables at the same time and winning over 30BBs/100 hands, but other times I just make the dumbest plays. It's painful. Or I will be getting a pretty good run on one table and losing on the other one, and then end up fighting for what I lost. Have a look [WARNING: it's kinda painful]:

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2669698

      UTG+1: $0.74
      MP1: $2.05
      MP2: $0.92
      Hero (CO): $1.97
      BTN: $2.15
      SB: $2.10
      BB: $3.31
      UTG: $1.53

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A :diamond: Q :club:
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.30) A :heart: 3 :spade: 2 :spade: (5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

      Turn: ($1.10) 8 :spade: (4 players)
      BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.30

      River: ($1.70) Q :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.70, BTN raises to $1.42, Hero calls $0.71 all in

      Final Pot: $4.52
      Hero shows A :diamond: Q :club: (two pair, Aces and Queens)
      BTN shows 9 :spade: K :spade: (a flush, King high)
      BTN wins $4.36
      (Rake: $0.16)

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $5.73
      UTG+1: $2.04
      UTG+2: $3.26
      MP1: $2.39
      Hero (MP2): $2.14
      CO: $1.91
      BTN: $2.00
      SB: $0.73
      BB: $2.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP2 with J :diamond: A :spade:
      UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.10) 4 :heart: J :heart: T :spade: (5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds

      Turn: ($0.30) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.14, BTN calls $0.14

      River: ($0.58) K :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

      Final Pot: $0.98
      Hero shows J :diamond: A :spade: (a pair of Jacks)
      BTN shows T :club: J :club: (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
      BTN wins $0.95
      (Rake: $0.03)

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2669701

      BTN: $1.59
      Hero (SB): $2.29
      BB: $2.18
      UTG: $0.53
      UTG+1: $2.20
      UTG+2: $2.34
      MP1: $1.05
      MP2: $2.65
      CO: $1.08

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with J :spade: K :club:
      UTG raises to $0.04, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.03, 1 fold

      Flop: ($0.10) K :heart: 9 :club: 6 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05

      Turn: ($0.20) 3 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

      River: ($0.40) A :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.10, UTG raises to $0.34 all in, Hero calls $0.24

      Final Pot: $1.08
      Hero shows J :spade: K :club: (a pair of Kings)
      UTG shows 5 :club: A :club: (a flush, Ace high)
      UTG wins $1.04
      (Rake: $0.04)

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 2669703
      This one is just sick bad

      UTG+1: $2.00
      MP: $1.95
      CO: $2.07
      Hero (BTN): $1.98
      SB: $3.20
      BB: $1.53
      UTG: $1.87

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J :diamond: Q :diamond:
      1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.15) Q :heart: 7 :diamond: 7 :spade: (2 players)
      UTG+1 bets $0.09, Hero raises to $0.22, UTG+1 raises to $0.71, Hero raises to $1.92 all in, UTG+1 calls $1.21

      Turn: ($3.99) 7 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: ($3.99) 8 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: $3.99
      UTG+1 shows K :heart: K :club: (a full house, Sevens full of Kings)
      Hero mucks J :diamond: Q :diamond:
      UTG+1 wins $3.85
      (Rake: $0.14)

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -View hand 2669704

      SB: $1.75
      Hero (BB): $1.92
      UTG: $2.14
      UTG+1: $1.44
      MP1: $2.15
      MP2: $2.14
      CO: $0.59
      BTN: $2.00

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K :heart: J :heart:
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.19) J :club: Q :heart: 9 :heart: (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08

      Turn: ($0.43) 7 :diamond: (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.16, MP1 folds, CO calls $0.16

      River: ($0.75) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

      Final Pot: $0.95
      Hero mucks K :heart: J :heart:
      CO shows Q :diamond: A :club: (a pair of Queens)
      CO wins $0.92
      (Rake: $0.03)

      See what I mean? I have countless of these kind of hands.
      A while ago I made a post +/- like this one because this gets me frustated :@. 2 days ago I had $10 in my account, the on one night managed to increase it to $15 with awesome plays, then on less than 1 hour I'm back to $10 again. Tilt is to blame but before I go on tilt I need to make 2 or 3 of these kind of plays. In these examples, the KJ and the AJ happened before I tilted.

      Theory studying also made me more aggressive. On "The Theory of Poker" I remember reading that whenever your hand was worth a call you should bet yourself OOP. That's why I kept betting on that KJ gutshot + flushdraw. I don't think it's that bad, but because I have only $10 in my bankroll and you lose pots like these, it kinda hurts for a few hands.

      Most of the times I know the fold is obvious or I'm simply not thinking. In the AQ example I KNEW he had the flush, but something in me was like "Nah nah he doesn't".
      When I'm studying theory (or anything else for that matter), I can focus 100% and memorize everything. But when I'm playing, I simply can't focus on the game. I'm either watching TV, texting, watching a youtube video, talking to friends at a coffee, etc. I only look at the game when the action is on me and then I go to the chart and the odds table to figure out what to do. I've tried to concentrate on the game but I find myself doing something else after a few minutes. Happens with chess too, I play only with my instincts, so any fair player can beat me pretty easily.
      Does anyone care to offer some tips? They would be greatly appreciated :f_thumbsup:
  • 30 replies
    • njyrki
      njyrki
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      I would think youre not motivated enough ? Too low stakes so it feels like play money ? Make some kind of challenge about your poker, or save money and try to start from bigger stakes ?
    • cardman021
      cardman021
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      I honestly don't think starting at bigger stakes because you're not motivated enough at the micros is a good advise njyrki. If you can't beat the lowest stakes, there is almost no way you can beat better opponents IMO..
    • njyrki
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      He started by saying that sometimes he plays good, crushing NL2 :D And winning 30 BB / 100 hands but due to lack of concentration he makes mistakes
    • njyrki
      njyrki
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      Maybe if the amount of money is more relevant, he doesnt start watching tv or stuff like he wrote
    • OsoMeloso1
      OsoMeloso1
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      Hello,

      Some things that came to mind while reading your post;
      - Turn off external distractions.
      - Start each session with 1 table and pay attention to every hand played.
      - Set a time and table limit for each session. I play a maximum of 4 tables at NL2 for 1-2 hours depending on how I'm running and game flow. Then take a minimum 30 minute break. Time enough to catch up on Facebook, emails, etc.
      - Top up to max buy-in whenever you fall below it. Don't start a new hand with less than a full stack.
      - Maintain a minimum of 30 buy-ins in your account. More if you're playing MTTs also. We're playing NL2 to learn, not to earn a living.
      - Be aggressive, not results oriented.
      - First hand: 3bet AQo preflop (at this point BTN should fold -EV K9s), reraise flop to pot size (don't give good pot odds to draws), shove turn (if BTN is still in hand then BTN got lucky). Happens.
      - Don't limp preflop.
      - Second hand: raise AJo preflop (3 BB + 1 BB), bigger bet on turn, check/fold river.
      - Use a tracking software (Holdem Manager 2 with Leak Buster is very helpful).

      I hope you find something to help somewhere in there. :f_biggrin:
    • LeNNy010
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      3 tips, make yourself comfy while playing poker. Do not allow yourself to be disstracted. Try to learn from others even when you are not in the hand. Try guessing what the opponents have. What further came to mind to me is that when you are 3-betted this means strenght, unless you have a good read on this player I will fold my top pair. Last of all, end the session when you are starting to tilt. It's a good habit that will save your bankroll ;) ( learned from experience) :p

      Good luck and try to enjoy the game while playing. Let me know how the tips work out for you. Maybe blog about it? Setting goals really helps with your game.
    • frazz4
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      I like to repeat this in my head a few times before playing

      "Every time is make the same stupid mistake, I actually get better at them and limit my ability to improve in the furture. Not only am I loosing money now but I am increasing the chance of loosing money in the future
    • cardman021
      cardman021
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      Joined: 12.04.2011 Posts: 110
      Well, I understand that he is loosing his concentration. But 1st he could try adding some more tables or focusing on session goals instead of moving up which I think is just the worse advise(not trying to argue njyrki :f_drink: ) 2 tabling might be boring sometimes. 2nd he mentioned he is "crushing" NL2 while "2 tabling", I don't think he even passed 10k playing in this stakes, which makes "crushing" not applicable. Again I'm not trying to be an expert here, just putting in some(hopefully) good advise.. :f_biggrin:
    • ilostmysoul
      ilostmysoul
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      Thanks everyone for the tips :) I will try them out on my next session!!
    • DecMate
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      Dude just put in volume. I'd recommend playing NL2 rush and if you're struggling maybe just play even 1 table, it's better then 4 normals.

      Play the best ABC you can. There are so many fishes, if you know there is a reg at the table who you may clash with, think about being a bit tighter or just avoiding him. There are enough fish to go around at this limit!
    • VorpalF2F
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      Hi, ilostmysoul,
      Lots of great tips!

      I'll add two more:
      :diamond:   Big hands for big pots.
      :diamond:   Know your opponent.


      The only hand where I thought you were really out of line was the :Jd: :Qd: hand.
      In that hand there are too many 7s, and too many better :Qx: out there for me to continue with just top pair on a paired board. If you knew your opponent could bluff there though, maybe even that hand could be justified.

      All the best,
      VS
    • adeee3
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      1) You are 4 way on that turn, and there is high chance that someone has a flush... I really don't understand that donk/call on the river.
      2) You limp AJo in MP2 (come on!!!) , and after that you pot the flop, and bet so small on turn and river. What is that?
      3) Calling a minraise from that short is bad too i my opinion. At least 3bet if you decide to play it and ship it in on flop.
      4) Why are you raising that flop first of all? ... when you get 3beted on flop is an easy fold as you played it.
      5) Check/raise the flop.. what is that donk? and the size of it.

      Moving up in limits is the worst thing that you can do.
      :gl:
    • S0ulM
      S0ulM
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      I feel your pain man...if there is an app that will punch me in the face when I say the words "I know I'm beat here" but call anyway I need it....now!

      I'm trying to focus on concentrating fully, good note taking and doing away from the table stuff mainly ranges/distribution as too often I have no clue if I'm ahead or not. It is gradually starting to help but I'm still very swingy due to too many bad calls.

      Keep the faith
    • ilostmysoul
      ilostmysoul
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      Thank you all for answering :) great tips and insight.
      I actually did a mega session last night and figured out the major problem: kinda get bored too eassily while playing :/. Even with 4 tables I do great the 1st hour, then get happy because everything is going great, but after that it becomes repetitive and the stack keeps increasing and going down to the point I eventually start losing patience and seek any action whatsoever.
      Eventually I start calling a 3bet with QTs in MP just to get into a pot.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by ilostmysoul
      ... to the point I eventually start losing patience and seek any action whatsoever.
      Eventually I start calling a 3bet with QTs in MP just to get into a pot.
      Hi, ilostmysoul,
      What you're describing is a "mental game" leak.

      Jared Tendler has two books with "The Mental Game of Poker" in the title.
      I've done the first one, and it made a big difference. Not only do I lose less, it affects me less when I do.

      Cheers,
      VS
    • mirth
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      i often do what was suggested above (try to fgure out what people have even when you are not in the hand) and sometimes i can jsut tell "if you raise him there he will fold". so i agree, focus more even when not playing the hand. and also for some reason it seem to me if i have aq, and the high card on flop is q. if i get a call or raise, i am behind. just seems to happen a lot. once was board of 4, 10, q, and my aq was behind to a set of 10s. two pair has also been the culprit. have just become wary anytime aq is TPTK.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by mirth
      ... have just become wary anytime aq is TPTK.
      Hi, mirth,
      Yeah, I think that it is wise not to overplay TPTK hands.

      On the other hand, you don't want to give draws too good a price, either.
      It helps to know if your opponent overplays his own hands.

      I much prefer those hands when you have a redraw to a straight or a flush.

      Best of luck,
      VS
    • mirth
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      hi vorpal,

      i am referring to non-draw heavy boards. just seems ot be my luck that anytime aq is TPTK, the person who called me has something that one would not expect like the 10,4 on the 4,10,q board, or the set of 4s. so that is what i meant. not if there are two hearts or a str8 draw on the board. (ok ten, q is also a str8 draw, but i was just trying to give an example. :-)
    • htghguuh
      htghguuh
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      you are playing hands that if they dont land you have to fold
      like JQs KJs 10As KQs this hans miss often and arnt strong on low limit,
      you can use them as a shve against sb BB BUT ANY RAISE BE CARFUL
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