Skankroll management to WCOOP ME

    • jules97
      jules97
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      :sfishy: :sfishg: :sfishy: :sfishg:
      "It's tankroll management, not skankroll management", I hear you say.

      Well I'm hear to inform you there's a new thing in town called Skankroll management. And it's the latest craze.


      What can you get with $1000? Certainly not a WCOOP ME ticket. And why bother playing if you can't play the WCOOP ME? So I've added two more slots above the tankroll plan and turned it into Skankroll.
      Where on top of needing to run it up at nl100. I'll aslo need to win some buyins at NL200 and finally at NL400, where the $5200 WCOOP ME ticket is the goal.



      Challenge starts tomorrow.

      There are 3 ways to end this challenge.

      1. Loss of initial skankroll
      2. Target of ME buyin monies
      3. Cutoff date @ for WCOOP ME with is SEPTEMBER


      I'll probably stream some of this challenge on twitch if there's any interest.

      Caveat

      - I'm not sure exactly how much I'll be starting with. This will be the remains currently in my stars account after I play the Sunday Mill (and a few others) tonight This should be ~$100.
      - This is probably impossible. Don't try this at home kids. But I edited that table and everything, so i might as well have a go, right?
  • 8 replies
    • Lazza61
      Lazza61
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      Hey jules97,

      Wishing you the best of luck. :gl: I do love tankrolls. I have one planned myself but not on that scale.

      You should consider joining the Get Rich or Die Tryin' promotion. :s_thumbsup:

      Have fun

      Laz
    • jules97
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      Cheers Lazz,

      So it seems 30bb below the cutoff is is go down at next bb, 50bb is instant go down instantly. Could be a bit tricky coz, i'll often be playing on phone for this. Hopefully my memory is good enough... :f_drink:

      So I bricked everything on Sunday and am starting with $115.46, so that's NL10.

      So here's the plan for NL10
      • Cbet relentlessly with too many bluffs
      • Valuebet relentlessly
      • Size valuebets mega exploitedly based on villains range
      • Size bluffs mega exploitedly based on percieved fold equity
      • Fold to aggression, fold way too much in general
      • Fold 90% too much river bets
      • Fold 75% too much to postflop raises
      • Fold too much to preflop raises (unless betsizes give odds or are retarded)
      • Remove 75% of preflop 3b bluffs
      • barrel aggressively on scarecards against full stacks
      • bluff raise flops too much against full stacks
      • attack villains checking ranges aggressively
      • open tighter in early positions
      • open looser in later positions
      • cold call preflop way too much everywhere


      And obligatory 1st session graph




      [b]Hand of the day.
      [/b]



      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $8.27
      SB: $10.40
      BB: $22.48
      UTG: $6.82
      Hero (MP): $24.09
      CO: $13.40

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:spade: A:spade:

      UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, fold, BTN calls $0.20, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.75, 3 players) 3:spade: 6:club: 2:spade:
      UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, fold, Hero calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.55, 2 players) A:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.74, Hero calls $0.74

      River: ($3.03, 2 players) T:spade:
      Hero bets $1.30, BTN raises to $3.90, Hero raises to $19.70, BTN calls $3.03 and is all-in

      I think this hand goes along with the plan listed above.
      Preflop: could 3b, but I'm guessing that I have more EV in seeing a flop.
      Flop: Not much point leading, these guys aren't folding any thing better than PP's and I'm far ahead of villains bluffs so no point check raising.
      Turn: Thought about leading, I think this is a GTO spot to lead a lot and would normally lead. But here, I thought there's not much ponit, he's going to bet an Ace anyway too much and probably bluff too much. I also thoughta about x/r but elected to x/c and keep his range wider.
      River, silly exploitable small donk bet, to look like or get a call from Ax and thankfully he raises his weaker flush. :D

      Not a bad start :D A couple more buyins and NL25 here I come! :banana:
      But.. for how long?
    • jules97
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      Put another 30min in. With some more rungood and another couple of buyins. So that should take me >$150 to a shot at nl25 next time.



      Not too many interesting hands.

      This one, I felt when he donked the turn with pot, I couldn't really get value by raising and that I'd be up against 44 a draw or air too much. And on the river I wanted to bet small enough that he'd consider a raise with his air/draws. Maybe should have bet a little smaller. And his river raise, perahps I'm a nit, but I don't htink I can reraise. Given his range is still mostly air or nuts and the his size looks like a silly valueraise.

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $10.00
      SB: $23.84
      BB: $14.93
      UTG: $11.90
      MP: $30.97
      CO: $10.02

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q:heart: K:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) K:heart: 8:spade: Q:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BB calls $0.35

      Turn: ($1.15, 2 players) 4:club:
      BB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

      River: ($3.35, 2 players) 7:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB raises to $3.40, Hero calls $1.70
    • jules97
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      The shot at nl25 didn't go so well. Got knocked back down in a few minutes.



      Here is how one gets that kind of ev difference.

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $26.29
      SB: $30.34
      BB: $43.88
      Hero (UTG): $25.00
      MP: $25.00
      CO: $43.63

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:club: A:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO raises to $2.25, fold, fold, BB calls $2.00, Hero raises to $5.80, fold, BB calls $3.55

      Flop: ($13.95, 2 players) 8:heart: 4:diamond: 8:club:
      BB checks, Hero bets $4.80, BB raises to $21.25, Hero calls $14.40 and is all-in

      Turn: ($52.35, 2 players) 3:club:

      River: ($52.35, 2 players) T:heart:

      BB shows T:spade: T:diamond: (Full House, Tens full of Eights)
      (Pre 20%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows A:club: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
      (Pre 80%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
      BB wins $50.35


      So then it was back to nl10 to grind it back. Which went pretty well, I think I'm about 175 now so can have another shot at nl25 with a whole buyin (lols) of wiggle room.


      Not too many interesting hands. Perhaps this one.

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $13.03
      Hero (SB): $19.06
      BB: $10.43
      UTG: $10.44
      MP: $10.36
      CO: $10.00

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:club: K:spade:

      fold, fold, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.00

      Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) 8:diamond: Q:heart: 6:spade:
      Hero bets $2.05, BTN calls $2.05

      Turn: ($7.10, 2 players) 7:diamond:
      Hero bets $15.71 and is all-in, BTN calls $9.68 and is all-in

      River: ($26.46, 2 players) J:diamond:

      Hero shows K:club: K:spade: (One Pair, Kings)
      (Pre 92%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
      BTN shows Q:club: K:heart: (One Pair, Queens)
      (Pre 8%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
      Hero wins $25.27


      I suppose against someone a little more decent it's probably a good idea to size the flop cbet so the hand lasts 3 streets. But here against a weaker player, the theory goes, 'shovel as much money into the hand as possible, before he gets scared'. I think his calling range on the flop is fairly inelastic to betsizes. With that betsize he'll likely continue with any piece of it. Then on the turn, a small overbet, board is still fairly dry but looks like draws are possible. Kind of the optimal board for fish to hero call, coz they like to do the same kind of large polarized bets with draws.
    • jules97
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      I think it's interesting that my stats over these few thousand hands are like 16.5/21.5 with a 3b of 3.5. I watched a video weazel made a month or so ago about 3betting and whilst I usually think his stuff is good. I really disagreed with where he said one should 3b so much against people who don't fold. There's just no need.

      Bluffing is not about getting people to fold a better hand (and if this is an exploitable reason, it's not a common mistake villains make imo, especially the worse a villain is), it's only done so a villain is forced to pay off heros value hands. And at these stakes, we just don't need to force villains to pay off our value hands, so 3betting marginal hands/bluffs (be it polarized or linear) is burning money, because it takes the top end of ones calling range away (which isn't going to get punished enough by squeezes at these stakes), where these hands are to be very profitable to play as dominating hands postflop against weaker players.
    • teddypoker
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      Hi jules97,

      Any updates about your challenge?
    • jules97
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      yeah, it's dead
      like my mtt ambitions, fuck mtt's
    • teddypoker
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      Sorry to hear that :( if by any chance you change your mind we'll be glad to have you back with another challenge :)