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Working Stacks: Webinar thread 17/03/15

    • LuckyLukePS
      Joined: 28.08.2014 Posts: 190
      Hi guys!

      Just posting this thread quickly as a space for any hands viewers would like to post during my Working Stacks webinar tonight for live analysis. Please post any hands where you feel the stack size was of major relevance to a decision you had to make - whether pre or post flop. A wide range of spots indeed fall under that category, and we're going to be talking everything from shortstack ninja-ing up to deep stack play tonight, so don't be shy to post anything which you'd like considered!

      Thanks a lot, and all the best,

  • 11 replies
    • chillipops
      Joined: 10.01.2009 Posts: 7
      I think the shove is ok but thought I could/should ask something.

      PokerStars Hand #132193121616: Tournament #1168414321, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1500/3000) - 2015/03/17 12:33:48 WET [2015/03/17 8:33:48 ET]
      Table '1168414321 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
      Seat 1: mr.GrandpaX (19633 in chips)
      Seat 2: AlexTaifas (32044 in chips)
      Seat 3: chillipops (28737 in chips)
      Seat 4: KolimbaBG (42434 in chips)
      Seat 5: Paparadu (46630 in chips)
      Seat 6: aye250891 (26593 in chips)
      Seat 7: mossi93 (65721 in chips)
      Seat 8: giacowin89 (59161 in chips)
      Seat 9: Makossa (68565 in chips)
      mr.GrandpaX: posts the ante 375
      AlexTaifas: posts the ante 375
      chillipops: posts the ante 375
      KolimbaBG: posts the ante 375
      Paparadu: posts the ante 375
      aye250891: posts the ante 375
      mossi93: posts the ante 375
      giacowin89: posts the ante 375
      Makossa: posts the ante 375
      Paparadu: posts small blind 1500
      aye250891: posts big blind 3000
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to chillipops [Th Kc]
      mossi93: folds
      giacowin89: folds
      Makossa: folds
      mr.GrandpaX: folds
      AlexTaifas: folds
      chillipops: raises 25362 to 28362 and is all-in
      KolimbaBG: calls 28362
      Paparadu: folds
      aye250891: folds
      *** FLOP *** [2c Ah 2d]
      *** TURN *** [2c Ah 2d] [5c]
      *** RIVER *** [2c Ah 2d 5c] [7c]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      chillipops: shows [Th Kc] (a pair of Deuces)
      KolimbaBG: shows [Qc As] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
      KolimbaBG collected 64599 from pot
      chillipops finished the tournament in 238th place and received $7.84.
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 64599 | Rake 0
      Board [2c Ah 2d 5c 7c]
      Seat 1: mr.GrandpaX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 2: AlexTaifas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 3: chillipops showed [Th Kc] and lost with a pair of Deuces
      Seat 4: KolimbaBG (button) showed [Qc As] and won (64599) with two pair, Aces and Deuces
      Seat 5: Paparadu (small blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 6: aye250891 (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 7: mossi93 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 8: giacowin89 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 9: Makossa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    • sherriffatman
      Joined: 30.04.2009 Posts: 273
      "MUBS" or decent-fold?

      IPoker, $10 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players +$1k. added

      SB: 2,270 (75.7 bb) [26/7/4] (145 hds)
      BB: 3,002 (100.1 bb)
      UTG+1: 2,140 (71.3 bb)
      UTG+2: 2,445 (81.5 bb)
      MP1: 1,554 (51.8 bb) [23/19/6]
      MP2: 3,166 (105.5 bb)
      MP3: 2,698 (89.9 bb)
      CO: 2,800 (93.3 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 2,425 (80.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 6
      2 folds, MP1 raises to 60, 3 folds, Hero calls 60, SB calls 45, BB folds

      Flop: (210) K 2 Q (3 players)
      SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks[color=blue]

      Turn: (210) 3 (3 players)
      SB bets 180, MP1 calls 180, Hero calls 180

      River: (750) Q (3 players)
      SB bets 210, MP1 raises to 1,314 and is all-in, 2 folds


      my only note is on the opener/rvr shvr - "3b shvd 44bb w' TT in sb to utg open/3 cllrs" !?

      in-game I thought this was a fairly standard fold, but on reviewing it, I think mp hardly ever has KQ here, and I think he could easily be betting a queen - most likely hd is AQ I think (fits the flop chk)

      I have invested hardly any chips but would still have a workable stack if call and lose - not overly concerned abt sb to act behind as they are too passive to bet flsh drw twice vs 2 opp'nts imo and their sizing on trn and rvr looks like they wary of the flush draw/coming in - I also think mp would play a draw more aggressively as they seem on the more loose/aggro end of the TAG scale (thoughts????)
    • Maweric
      Joined: 06.10.2007 Posts: 6,517
      What to do with flopped low straight in unraised flop without position?
      For ex: We are on BB having 65s vs couple of unknown limpers (or minraise+limper/s).
      Flop... Let's say: 987 rainbow.
      What would be most optimal play? Agro-Donk or pot control?

      upd: I forgot to mention stack sizes. Let's say, it's over 20M for everyone
    • LuckyLukePS
      Joined: 28.08.2014 Posts: 190
      :D I wouldn't call a lead bet an "agro-donk"! Lead can be fine especially in a limped pot, where it's just taking initiative / going for value. In a raised pot it's somewhat different, but it can still be the best play in some cases particularly if the pot is massively multi-way (with 4, 5, 6 players to the flop) since the original raiser will often fail to cbet anyway with some many players in the hand, and we'll go to turn without a raise which of course is not good for us :)

      Also we potentially look weaker bet / 3betting than we do check / raising.
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    • LuckyLukePS
      Joined: 28.08.2014 Posts: 190
      It very much rests on how often he has AQ / QJ here. I think QJ is optimistic and AQ is quite possible, though I do think QQ and KQ raise turn a bunch. If we exclude AQ and include a couple of AcXx blocker shoves we are still ruined with around 20% equity, but include half the AQo and 3/4 of the AQs and we have 40%... so it's a fiarly interesting spot. I suppose it's marginally profitable at best though.
    • RiQRiQ
      Joined: 15.08.2010 Posts: 118
      Damn! Missed this totally!!
    • sherriffatman
      Joined: 30.04.2009 Posts: 273
      thanks Luke - I removed the post cos my initial hand-range was a bit off tbh - I meant to repost, but I guess it's not really necessary now, as you have explained all the relevant points very well, already!

      (homework for me = assigning ranges to villains for standard/often-seen lines @ different stack-sizes) :f_thumbsup: )

      [ ~ @RiQRiQ ~ don't worry - you should be able to catch-up with the replay real soon] :f_cool:
    • RiQRiQ
      Joined: 15.08.2010 Posts: 118
      Yes well I feel that it´s total bull from Stategy to always put gold tag on Lukes videos. The man is only one that makes MTT strategy material to us now.
    • sherriffatman
      Joined: 30.04.2009 Posts: 273
      Originally posted by RiQRiQ
      Yes well I feel that it´s total bull from Stategy to always put gold tag on Lukes videos. The man is only one that makes MTT strategy material to us now.

      yeah man, I hear ya - and fwiw I agree with you - gold status is easy to get if you are playing cash, but it's more tricky for us mtt/sng folks esp if your stars acct isn't linked- I've been playing husngs on IP recently, specifically for SPs, but I can't sustain it due to the reporting issue with hem2 (I have to manually import the last hd of each sng which is bad enough, but also often I have to edit my finishing pos'n - 1sts reported as 2nds and vice-versa!!!) Obviously this is impinging on my grind/review time and is basically a giant pain in the neck - I could just about cope with it when I was playing reg speeds, but playing hypers it's a no go, due to the volume of games needing to be edited, so I very much doubt I will get gold status again any time soon.

      Obv. I realise that this isn't PStrgy's fault, and certainly not Luke's, and I understand why PStrgy wants to incentivise people to grind out higher statuses, but it is clearly an issue for members, and it's also clear that numbers are dwindling, so maybe this policy could be reviewed?

      [mods: feel free to move this if deemed more suitable for elsewhere]
    • RiQRiQ
      Joined: 15.08.2010 Posts: 118
      Yes. Here you man. Hope we get some more material to got us of the micros tough. I grind my Stars to Strategy so feel that this part is not issued enough.

      Asabans starter materials did get me on my feet but i want more material with consepts. You know.

      Im afraid that some other training sites will take the MTT grinders :(

      Thank god Colin's 180man was silver.