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    • randomdonk
      randomdonk
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2009 Posts: 1,984
      I'm sick of avoiding my responsibility. So i bring you a little game to help me and possibly make some money for yourselves =)

      What you have to do: post hands in this blog. not random hands but hands you actually have doubts with and want to discuss. preferred stakes are nl25 to nl100 but if you play lower or higher and want to participate i don't mind. 1 hand per person per day.

      What I have to do: play 5k hands every day, come here and post the graph. If i don't, I have to send $15 to whoever posted the 3 hands that were more interesting, eye opening, made me think more, sparked more/better discussion.

      We start Monday.
  • 17 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 31,100
      Sounds like a nice idea. I expect this is only for cash gamers.
      So if I post $7 SNG hands for example you can’t deal with it.
      What kind of limit you going to play?

      Further I wish you all the best with beating the stake your playing :gl:

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • randomdonk
      randomdonk
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2009 Posts: 1,984
      Thanks =)

      I'll be playing nl50 for now.

      As for the hands yeah, only cash games. I mean, some sng/mtt hands in which stacks are deep might be ok, but i'd like to keep it related to what i play so it will help my game more and i can give better advice.
    • randomdonk
      randomdonk
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2009 Posts: 1,984
      Breakfast and then IT'S ON!
    • randomdonk
      randomdonk
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2009 Posts: 1,984
      Day 1 - You win! (kinda)





      Got distracted and started playing kind of late :f_mad: as a result, played half the volume. Good thing no one seems to want free money just yet :tongue:

      Where are all the cash game players? c'mon guys, post some hands!
    • schmoeJoe
      schmoeJoe
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2012 Posts: 124
      You asked for it! :f_love:

      Preflop
      Raised for my 88. Called villain's reraise intending to let go if flop was not good for my hand

      Flop
      Villain checked back.

      Turn
      Unlikely for him to have A or K but there's still 99-QQ so I checked. If he checks I'll bet-fold river

      River
      I bet. Villain just calls


      PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players

      BTN: 250.5 BB
      SB: 313.5 BB
      BB: 121.5 BB
      Hero (UTG): 463 BB
      UTG+1: 54.5 BB
      MP: 94.5 BB
      MP+1: 105 BB
      MP+2: 47 BB
      CO: 20 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:club: 8:spade:

      Hero raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

      Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) A:spade: 4:diamond: K:diamond:
      Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

      Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:
      Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

      River: (11.5 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:
      Hero bets 5.5 BB, UTG+1 calls 5.5 BB

      Hero shows 8:club: 8:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Eights) (Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
      UTG+1 mucks 6:club: 6:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
      Hero wins 21.5 BB

      Maybe I should've raised the turn. What do you think?
    • schelleXL
      schelleXL
      Silver
      Joined: 05.05.2011 Posts: 2,197
      Hello,

      here is a hand of mine.

      The minbets are really strange because no draws available. So maybe set but why play so aggro then on turn and why the minbets.

      very strange hand, I folded because couldn't really put him on a range

      BB: $8.24 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      UTG: $12.80 (VPIP: 10.88, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 148)
      Hero (UTG+1): $10.00
      MP: $10.09 (VPIP: 17.92, PFR: 8.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.69, Hands: 391)
      CO: $15.57 (VPIP: 20.65, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 467)
      BTN: $11.03 (VPIP: 15.44, PFR: 12.24, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 540)
      SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 9.68, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:spade: A:diamond:
      fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) J:heart: 3:club: 9:spade:
      BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, BB calls $0.45

      Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) 7:club:
      BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.12, BB raises to $2.14, fold

      BB wins $3.81
    • metza
      metza
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.01.2012 Posts: 2,220
      nl25 hand w AA. I would expect to be good a lot of the time OTR, but villain is nitty 19/15, 358h 28 RFI CO, 50% fold to 3bet. Wonder what you think about value betting this river, do we get called by worse >50% of the time or does checking have higher EV? I dunno how light or tight we can expect villain to call down 3 streets?

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $12 (48 bb)
      BB: $28.18 (112.7 bb)
      UTG: $23.89 (95.6 bb)
      MP: $44.56 (178.2 bb)
      CO: $50.51 (202 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.55, 2 folds, CO calls $0.95

      Flop: ($3.45) K 5 3 (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25

      Turn: ($7.95) J (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $5.25, CO calls $5.25

      River: ($18.45) 9 (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $18.45 pot ($0.83 rake)
      Final Board: K 5 3 J 9
      CO showed K Q and lost (-$9.05 net)
      Hero showed A A and won $17.62 ($8.57 net)
    • randomdonk
      randomdonk
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2009 Posts: 1,984
      @schmoeJoe:
      Why are we opening to 2bb? i'd stick to 3bb, specially when you are playing nl2 and your general gameplan should be to open tight ranges and be the best tour guide of valuetown.
      Calling the 3bet to setmine is ok given his sizing and i assume his range is somewhat tight and his postflop play not too good.
      Flop is an easy c/f.
      Turn you can c/f or bet twice to fold him of QQ-TT and maybe Kx (which is not as unlikely as you think, he shouldnt have all that many in his 3b range, but on the flop he checks them back every time).
      River are you valuebetting or bluffing? either way it's too ambitious: I doubt he folds anything better ever, and he doesnt have too much worse to call with. I'd c/c to pick off bluffs.


      @schelleXL

      NH, only your sizng is too small. I'd go 0.70 on flop and as played 1.80 on turn.
      As for your doubts: there ARE a few draws availabe: KQ, KT, QT, Q8s, T8s, 87s. These last 3 in their offsuit form might or might not be in there depending on how loose he defends. And finally AK and AQ.
      They will often also lead 1bb with weak sdv. And actually hands like JT aswell, but in my experience they will c/c these more often and do the minbets with their 98 or A3 more often, trying to keep the pot small i guess.
      Every now and then a nutted hand is in there, but you have to realize they c/r and c/c these hands aswell and there is a limited amount of combos of these hands.
      When he 3bets the turn is just very clear you are dead. Maybe not 100% of the time, but definitely way too often to do anything but fold. T8, 97, J7 and 77 get there and sometimes you where already behind on the flop. He gets agro now because is time to get some value and the board is getting a bit more scary.
      Not that strange or even uncommon line for a fish. You just gotta figure out what he's thinking, and realize regs and fish use different logic.


      @metza:

      Why do you 3bet so small? As a default i'd go 2.5 to 8bb, so $2 in this case. Make him fold pre if he can, get more value if he wont. I don't think anyone is folding anything playable to that size.
      Is not necessarily bad to 3bet smaller, but given how you played post flop i'm not sure your preflop sizing is part of a bigger plan.
      Given this widened range that defends against your 3b, thiner valuebetting is in order (barring reads).
      If you have reason to believe he's not calling off with that much worse, you should bet smaller on earlier streets and allow yourself to b/f smaller on the river. oh yeah AND BLUFF THE SHIT OUT OF HIM.
      If you 3bet for the regular size, checking back is super nitty. Just open equilator and give him only KQ and every single KK 55 33 and JJ combo. Ridiculously pessimistic and still 50%.
      Now your PF size changes things quite a bit because every 55 and 33 gets to the flop, every KJ gets to the turn and every K9 gets to the river.
      If he gets to the river like this with 1/3 of his sets and 2pairs (discounting KK, i think he just 4bets pre every single time vs this size) it's a check back if he only pays us off with KQ. As soon as you add 3 combos of KT (1/4 of the total 12 that get to the river) it's a jam.
      If he slowplays half of these hands to the river, we only need 3 more combos or KT, or in other words, we need him to call off KT half the time.
      All in all, between the unlikelihood of your average nl25 reg to slowplay to the river in this spot (given how passive everyone is on that street) and the likelihood of him going "fuck this guy" and calling it off with KT (or worse) i'd still jam. But after your PF size , it's WAY closer than i thought. I'm pretty sure you're getting $15 if i fuck up the volume today.
    • randomdonk
      randomdonk
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2009 Posts: 1,984
      Day 2 - You win!





      Pretty bad run today, but i stood my ground like a champion. Got tired towards the end but thats ok. I'm pretty sure most regs in these games lose 5 BI+++ in my shoes.
      I'm getting less hands per hour than i originally thought. Gonna have to get that morning session in if i don't want to donate my BR away :tongue:

      schmoeJoe, schelleXL, metza: You got $15 coming your way. Can send on Stars, FTP or Neteller. Let me know here or with a PM.


      Tomorrow i win!!!! :baby:
    • schelleXL
      schelleXL
      Silver
      Joined: 05.05.2011 Posts: 2,197
      Randomdonk,

      thanks for the handreviews, it really helped because I'm a bit doubting my sizes when reraising those minbets.

      The volume is pretty steep which you are trying to get but I hope you get in the time and motivation to get where you wanna be.

      Here is another hand :

      pré std. Flop I decide not to bet because against 2 opponents a Ax hand is gonna be in there hands a lot of the time
      Turn is also not that good because now J spikes trips ... So I continue my passive line.

      but we get no aggression until the river. I want a cheap showdown due to bad board runout but he bets pot. Because it's the button's range who is call happy préflop I can see him put in a semi bluff here to pick up the pot if he doesn't have a showdown hand.

      I'm beating every PP so although it's a big bet I can still find a call here I think (Although I have been wrong more then usual with these situations lately :( )

      MP+1: $10.00 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)
      CO: $7.76 (VPIP: 10.87, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
      BTN: $7.48 (VPIP: 37.04, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
      SB: $12.53 (VPIP: 13.46, PFR: 10.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.73, Hands: 470)
      BB: $2.46 (VPIP: 41.94, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
      UTG: $10.82 (VPIP: 7.91, PFR: 5.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 140)
      Hero (UTG+1): $15.30
      MP: $10.42 (VPIP: 12.19, PFR: 8.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.90, Hands: 687)

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q:heart: Q:diamond:
      fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.95, 3 players) 2:heart: J:diamond: A:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($0.95, 3 players) J:spade:
      BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($0.95, 3 players) 4:heart:
      BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.91, fold, Hero calls $0.91

      BTN shows 2:spade: 4:spade: (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours)
      (Pre 19%, Flop 18%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows Q:heart: Q:diamond: (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
      (Pre 81%, Flop 82%, Turn 95%)
      Hero wins $2.65


      PS. I've send you a Friend invite but on Pokerstars my name is Schelle011

      Grtz
      Schelle
    • schmoeJoe
      schmoeJoe
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2012 Posts: 124
      Thanks for the review. I sent you a friend request. I noticed the difference with the 2-3bb change with a session earlier, definitely induced more folds preflop and on cbet. I lost 2 buyins overall but it was a learning experience.

      If I may ask, how can you achieve 5k hands daily? 4+ tables at zoom for x hours?

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 108.5 BB
      SB: 101 BB
      BB: 110.5 BB
      UTG: 100 BB
      UTG+1: 66 BB
      MP: 46 BB
      MP+1: 124.5 BB
      MP+2: 79 BB
      CO: 143.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:club: A:spade:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

      Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) T:diamond: Q:diamond: J:diamond:
      UTG bets 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

      Turn: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
      UTG checks, Hero bets 16 BB, fold

      Hero wins 20 BB

      Pre - Position allows me to call correct?
      Flop - Called opponent cbet because of bet size. I don't know but it seemed like a weak cbet
      Turn - He checked so I decided to bluff. It looked like he was more afraid of the diamond than me

      Penny for your thoughts?

      My handle in Pokerstars is : savoireVivre (Philippines)

      Cheers! Good luck tomorrow! :f_thumbsup:
    • metza
      metza
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.01.2012 Posts: 2,220
      Will give ya a bit more motivation :f_tongue: 5k pretty impressive goal, atm am playing 3.5-4k a day with zoom and finding it really hard near the end of the grind each day,

      No idea what to do this hand (dropped to nl16 for a bit after some bad days), unk russian 4 tabler 3bets me, whale 51/21 cold calls.

      Not sure if I just ship preflop w 30bb in the middle and russian might be bluffing fairly often vs this iso raise, its pretty enticing and maybe even get called by worse from the other guy. Flop I think is fairly clear check, OTT I think I gotta bet to rep mid pockets and get russian to fold AK + get them both to fold worse hands w 6 outs, OTR I think I should have decent showdown value vs whale and probably he won't fold much to a jam anyway.

      Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $16 (100 bb)
      BB: $14.48 (90.5 bb)
      UTG: $11.83 (73.9 bb)
      MP: $27.62 (172.6 bb)
      CO: $30.41 (190.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $21.45 (134.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q A
      UTG calls $0.16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.64, SB raises to $2.08, BB calls $1.92, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.44

      Flop: ($6.40) 8 J 3 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($6.40) 5 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.52, SB folds, BB calls $3.52

      River: ($13.44) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $13.44 pot ($0.60 rake)
      Final Board: 8 J 3 5 3
      BB showed K 8 and won $12.84 ($7.24 net)
      Hero mucked Q A and lost (-$5.60 net)
    • schelleXL
      schelleXL
      Silver
      Joined: 05.05.2011 Posts: 2,197
      Hello,

      no update ?

      Here is a hand : sorry it's AA again.

      pré std 2.5 BB from CO

      flop 2/3 pot bet, few draws out there

      turn I can continue for value from PP which have called pré IP (kan even go up to QQ I guess). Also Tx is less likely due to this 2nd T

      River I check because low PP would call a bet anymore. But i'm not sure about this. Maybe a bet would be better, because I still call the AI... and now maybe JJ also checks behind.

      difficult spot with paired boards.

      UTG: $10.80 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
      UTG+1: $4.00 (VPIP: 25.37, PFR: 25.37, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 136)
      MP: $10.75 (VPIP: 20.77, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.93, Hands: 287)
      MP+1: $13.34 (VPIP: 14.55, PFR: 12.73, 3Bet Preflop: 9.80, Hands: 114)
      Hero (CO): $10.10
      BTN: $4.73 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
      SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 11.73, PFR: 9.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 197)
      BB: $11.15 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 4.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 71)

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:club: A:heart:
      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 2:club: T:spade: 9:diamond:
      Hero bets $0.43, BTN calls $0.43

      Turn: ($1.51, 2 players) T:heart:
      Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00

      River: ($3.51, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $3.05 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.05

      BTN shows T:diamond: J:heart: (Full House, Tens full of Twos)
      (Pre 17%, Flop 23%, Turn 95%)
      Hero shows A:club: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
      (Pre 83%, Flop 77%, Turn 5%)
      BTN wins $9.18
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,888
      kinda old hand. worst hand we shove otr? flop+turn standard or "value" raise?
      not sure why the hell i called pre, i must have had a reason. or had i? of course i didn't


      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 104.48 BB
      SB: 61.8 BB
      BB: 100 BB
      UTG: 150.36 BB
      MP: 69.08 BB
      CO: 196 BB

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8:diamond: Q:diamond:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 2.48 BB, fold, fold

      Flop: (6.36 BB, 2 players) Q:club: 2:diamond: 4:diamond:
      CO bets 4.6 BB, Hero calls 4.6 BB

      Turn: (15.56 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
      CO bets 11.4 BB, Hero calls 11.4 BB

      River: (38.36 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
      CO bets 26.72 BB, Hero raises to 86 BB and is all-in, fold

      Hero wins 87.68 BB
    • schelleXL
      schelleXL
      Silver
      Joined: 05.05.2011 Posts: 2,197
      Randomdonk,

      didn't hear from you anymore, that's a bit unfortunate. You should keep going man, don't give up.

      You've set yourself a target and a plan if it didn't work. That should motivate you enough to keep going. Com'on, if you wanna be a pro, give it 1000 % !

      here is a hand :

      Pré : I'm priced in to call with a decent hand.

      flop : I decide to checkraise but SB already raises. Don't really see a flushdraw because I have that, maybe a straightdraw or Tx which wants to protect his hand. Overpairs are not in the range of SB because I expect a 3bet pré with JJ+ OOP.

      But UTG+1 does call and that can be an overpair.

      Turn : SB shuts down so I think my read on him was correct. Unfortunatly SB continues I only need 28 % to call and I have that equity with the FD and Ax as live cards vs JJ-KK.

      River is tempting but I don't see any worse hands calling if I bet here.

      SB: $12.21 (VPIP: 15.93, PFR: 11.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.24, Hands: 506)
      Hero (BB): $12.72
      UTG: $10.15 (VPIP: 18.36, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 1.25, Hands: 211)
      UTG+1: $10.00 (VPIP: 16.36, PFR: 12.96, 3Bet Preflop: 6.84, Hands: 329)
      MP: $9.75 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      CO: $10.06 (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
      BTN: $17.05 (VPIP: 33.00, PFR: 18.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.06, Hands: 207)

      SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:diamond: J:diamond:
      fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) 5:diamond: T:spade: 6:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.57, SB raises to $1.14, Hero calls $1.14, UTG+1 calls $0.57

      Turn: ($4.32, 3 players) 2:spade:
      SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $2.73, fold, Hero calls $2.73

      River: ($9.78, 2 players) J:spade:
      Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

      Hero shows A:diamond: J:diamond: (One Pair, Jacks)
      (Pre 32%, Flop 43%, Turn 25%)
      UTG+1 shows Q:club: Q:diamond: (One Pair, Queens)
      (Pre 68%, Flop 57%, Turn 75%)
      UTG+1 wins $9.34
    • schelleXL
      schelleXL
      Silver
      Joined: 05.05.2011 Posts: 2,197
      Randomdonk,

      did you give up on the challenge ?

      if so please let us know and be honest about it

      thanks.
    • schelleXL
      schelleXL
      Silver
      Joined: 05.05.2011 Posts: 2,197
      Randomdonk,

      I see you are back after 2 months of absence ...

      You owe me ;-)