3bet pots with double2 [Gold+ Coaching]

    • double2
      double2
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      3bet pots with double2



      Hi guys,

      I'm gonna start a new coaching series this next month, where we are gonna tackle 3bets.

      This coaching series is aimed at trying to help Micros and Low Stakes players figuring out 3bet pots, pre flop and post flop, as PFR and as caller.

      What is it?

      Four coachings of 90 minutes each. It should go as follows:


      [*] pre flop as the PFR - 4.6.
      [*] post flop as the PFR - 11.6.
      [*] pre flop as the caller - 9.7
      [*] post flop as the caller - 16.7


      For who is it?

      Players that play NL25 to NL100
      At least Gold status on PokerStrategy

      Cool! What can I do?

      Post hands in this topic regarding the coaching theme in question. For instance, in the first week we are going to take a look at pre flop 3bet spots as the aggressor, so post hands where you're having trouble figuring out your 3bet range.

      When will it be

      The first coaching will be on the 4th of June, at 8PM CET, next Thursday. Remember the theme will be "pre flop as the 3bettor", we will discuss ranges and go through your pre flop hand examples.

      1st: 4th of June
      2nd: 11th of June
      3rd: 9th of July
      4th: 16th of July

      See you there. Post hands!
  • 64 replies
    • IuriTPena
      IuriTPena
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      Joined: 08.04.2012 Posts: 1,367
      Hi double, great news :)

      Do you consider accepting hands from 16NL ?
    • double2
      double2
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      Originally posted by IuriTPena
      Hi double, great news :)

      Do you consider accepting hands from 16NL ?
      Since it's Tuesday and nobody posted I'm gonna say yes :)
    • bonecore
      bonecore
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      Joined: 02.11.2009 Posts: 1,057
      Hi, just saw the post in the new posts :)
      pre flop as the 3bettor i would like to know how the % of hands from the opp open range that i should 3bet.
      25% - 50%? How much vs unknown, how much vs fit fold guy, how much vs thinking players.

      Another question is what indications i have that tell me the player is a fit fold if i have 30 hands?
      What is the limit to abuse the fit folder, as i can;t 3bet and cbet all the time ?? Or should i cbet every time i 3bet ?? I think we need to clarify this aspect a bit when 3betting.

      Maybe i can answer these questions myself, but it helped me to write them.
      Wanted to tell you that you are really cool in the poker life. No exageration.
    • IuriTPena
      IuriTPena
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      Joined: 08.04.2012 Posts: 1,367
      Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $19.63 (122.7 bb)
      Hero (BB): $16 (100 bb)
      UTG: $21.04 (131.5 bb)
      MP: $17.34 (108.4 bb)
      CO: $17.42 (108.9 bb)
      BTN: $13.06 (81.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A 2
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.49, Hero

      SB: 23/18/9 - 14kh
      SB or - 39
      SB f 3bet - 45
      fold to 3bet - 45
      3bp f cb - 40/23/(26)

      He open 3x so I don't think this is strong enough to call, but I don't like 3bet either because he folds to little :f_mad:
      We prefer 3b A5o-A2o or something like A8o-A6o ?
    • IuriTPena
      IuriTPena
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      Joined: 08.04.2012 Posts: 1,367
      Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $16 (100 bb)
      BB: $20.62 (128.9 bb)
      UTG: $17.03 (106.4 bb)
      Hero (MP): $19.39 (121.2 bb)
      CO: $40.10 (250.6 bb)
      BTN: $16.49 (103.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K J
      UTG raises to $0.32, Hero

      UTG: 37/17 - 33 hands

      vs reg opening about 15% this is a fold for me.
      this guys is fishy (marked at stars as fish) so I think that I should play this type of hand but just call or 3bet?
    • double2
      double2
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      Originally posted by bonecore
      Hi, just saw the post in the new posts :)
      pre flop as the 3bettor i would like to know how the % of hands from the opp open range that i should 3bet.
      25% - 50%? How much vs unknown, how much vs fit fold guy, how much vs thinking players.

      Another question is what indications i have that tell me the player is a fit fold if i have 30 hands?
      What is the limit to abuse the fit folder, as i can;t 3bet and cbet all the time ?? Or should i cbet every time i 3bet ?? I think we need to clarify this aspect a bit when 3betting.

      Maybe i can answer these questions myself, but it helped me to write them.
      Wanted to tell you that you are really cool in the poker life. No exageration.
      I'll try to answer this. Post some hands.
    • bonecore
      bonecore
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      Joined: 02.11.2009 Posts: 1,057
      I dont exactly remember each situation but i wonder if i make bets where i should not make.
      The hands also contain 5bet value TT and 5bet bluff K9s. (opponent had 4bet 15%)


      Hand #1
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2722910
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      SB: $4.57 - VPIP: 54, PFR: 31, 3B: 6, AF: 0.9, Hands: 61
      Hero (BB): $5.27 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 5.6, Hands: 936
      MP: $6.25 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 10, 3B: 10, AF: 1.0, Hands: 68
      CO: $12.89 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 127
      BTN: $5.42 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 477

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with K :spade: J :diamond:
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.38, CO calls $0.26

      Flop: ($0.78) 3 :spade: K :club: 2 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.49, CO calls $0.49

      Turn: ($1.76) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.92, Hero calls $0.92

      River: ($3.60) 4 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $1.85, Hero folds

      Hand #2
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2722911
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      UTG: $7.88 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 991
      MP: $5.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2.9, Hands: 2372
      CO: $5.49 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 4, AF: 1.9, Hands: 1171
      BTN: $4.44 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 2.7, Hands: 273
      SB: $1.78 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 34
      Hero (BB): $11.65 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 9 :spade: K :spade:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN raises to $1.65, Hero raises to $11.65, 1 fold

      Hand #3
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2722912
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      Hero (BB): $5.70 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 23
      MP: $5.92 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 101
      CO: $5.07 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 24, 3B: 11, AF: 2.2, Hands: 327
      BTN: $5.60 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 8.0, Hands: 63
      SB: $2.95 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with T :club: Q :diamond:
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.47, CO calls $0.32

      Flop: ($0.96) 7 :spade: 8 :spade: Q :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.46, CO calls $0.46

      Turn: ($1.88) 6 :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO checks

      River: ($1.88) 4 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO checks

      Hand #4
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2722913
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      UTG: $5.82 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 12, AF: 0.0, Hands: 77
      MP: $5.30 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 24, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 50
      CO: $5.84 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 14.0, Hands: 146
      Hero (BTN): $5.50 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      SB: $7.08 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 225
      BB: $7.13 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 5, AF: 2.7, Hands: 237

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with J :club: J :heart:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

      Flop: ($0.97) 8 :club: 5 :spade: 3 :spade: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($0.97) T :spade: (2 players)
      MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

      River: ($1.97) J :diamond: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $4.55, MP folds

      Hand #5
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2722914
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      CO: $8.22 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 11, 3B: 7, AF: 1.0, Hands: 36
      BTN: $6.59 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 40
      SB: $8.93 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 40
      Hero (BB): $5.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      UTG: $7.15 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 4.0, Hands: 48
      MP: $6.01 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 1.9, Hands: 292

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with J :club: J :spade:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.30

      Flop: ($0.92) 5 :heart: K :spade: 6 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.72) 7 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.09, BTN folds

      Hand #6
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2722915
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      Hero (BB): $6.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      UTG: $1.00 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 3.6, Hands: 94
      CO: $5.73 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 61
      BTN: $4.09 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 110
      SB: $5.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 668

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with J :spade: J :club:
      2 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.47, BTN calls $0.32

      Flop: ($0.96) 2 :club: 4 :spade: A :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.61, BTN raises to $2, Hero folds

      Hand #7
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2722916
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      SB: $2.09 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 21, 3B: 3, AF: 0.0, Hands: 89
      Hero (BB): $12.99 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 4.4, Hands: 452
      MP: $3.81 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 8.0, Hands: 146
      CO: $7.62 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 1.6, Hands: 82
      BTN: $5.36 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 3.1, Hands: 1437

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with T :diamond: T :heart:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $12.99, 1 fold

      Hand #8
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2722917
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      CO: $5.84 - VPIP: 46, PFR: 38, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 13
      BTN: $5.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 7.5, Hands: 267
      Hero (SB): $10.82 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 61884
      BB: $4.86 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 13

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with T :heart: T :spade:
      1 fold, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold
    • AAcantiflasAA
      AAcantiflasAA
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      Joined: 03.01.2011 Posts: 630
      Hi,

      What is your plan here? I dont like to flat AQo MP/CO vs UTG so i think this should be better as a 3bet for a lot of reasons. What is your default range here vs unknown?


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $71.63 (143.3 bb)
      BB: $55.25 (110.5 bb)
      UTG: $86.36 (172.7 bb)
      Hero (MP): $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $117.40 (234.8 bb)
      BTN: $43.38 (86.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
      UTG raises to $1.42, Hero raises to $4,
    • AAcantiflasAA
      AAcantiflasAA
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      Joined: 03.01.2011 Posts: 630
      villain:
      24/19
      Fold to 3bet: 59
      UTG OR: 19
      UTG fold to 3bet: 62
      4bet range: 1,5
      4bet range UTG: 0(35)

      What should be our plan here?
      3bet for value AK, QQ+ (can we 3bet this for value even against someone who not 4bet, if so, what should be our plan against a 4bet?)
      3bet bluf, we can tend towards blufs, but in this case, since villain only defend by calling, we should pick some playable hands instead of hands like AJo do you agree? things like Axs, 89s, 9Ts


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $58.29 (116.6 bb)
      BB: $58.42 (116.8 bb)
      UTG: $54.08 (108.2 bb)
      MP: $50.25 (100.5 bb)
      Hero (CO): $50 (100 bb)
      BTN: $120.86 (241.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A 3
      UTG raises to $1.50, MP folds, Hero raises to $4,
    • IvicaIliev77
      IvicaIliev77
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      Joined: 31.05.2012 Posts: 3,348
      Perhaps the best question I can ask you is to list your read less defend to 3 bet as well as 3 bet ranges IP and OOP from all positions of course.
      Would you be willing to do that?
      Appreciate it!
    • AAcantiflasAA
      AAcantiflasAA
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      Villain:
      20/16
      F to 3bet: 47
      SB OR: 35
      SB F to 3bet: 53
      4bet range 2.5
      SB 4bet range: 3.8(17)

      I think we cant call this profitably, so what should be our plan with this type of hands? What would be your range against this villain?

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $55.02 (110 bb)
      Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
      UTG: $137.29 (274.6 bb)
      MP: $71.19 (142.4 bb)
      CO: $81.16 (162.3 bb)
      BTN: $97.73 (195.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A 4
      4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50,
    • AAcantiflasAA
      AAcantiflasAA
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      Villain:
      32/29
      F to 3bet: 53
      SB OR: 68
      SB F to 3bet: 65
      4bet range: 6.2
      SB 4bet range: 20(16)

      This is a diferente situation, now villain folds a lot, but defends mainly by 4 beting. What should be our plan here? do we polarize our range or do we 3bet a large linear range? by the time i think i would like to have a large value range (to call the 4bet) and then also have a trash bluf hands, now i dont realy know if thats a good plan. What should we do with hands like ATs or AJs or AJo, flat or 3bet with the intention of calling the 4bet?


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $73.59 (147.2 bb)
      Hero (BB): $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      UTG: $170.25 (340.5 bb)
      MP: $59.51 (119 bb)
      CO: $50 (100 bb)
      BTN: $86.73 (173.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K 4
      4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50,
    • 2reac
      2reac
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      Joined: 10.04.2014 Posts: 1,279
      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2723140
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      UTG: $46.24 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 1,8, Hands: 17725
      MP: $27.07 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 2,4, Hands: 8474
      CO: $19.99 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 27, 3B: 7, AF: 1,9, Hands: 181
      BTN: $25.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 1,6, Hands: 6336
      SB: $25.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 6, AF: 1,7, Hands: 3719
      Hero (BB): $25.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 107981

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K :heart: A :spade:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $2.25

      Flop: ($6.85) T :heart: 3 :heart: J :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $3.27, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $13.72 all in

      Turn: ($40.83) A :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: ($40.83) K :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      _______________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2723142
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      CO: $26.82 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 1,5, Hands: 38
      Hero (BTN): $25.20 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 107981
      SB: $25.94 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 1,7, Hands: 21248
      BB: $24.69 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 24, 3B: 13, AF: 2,3, Hands: 1157
      UTG: $25.00 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 2,4, Hands: 2253
      MP: $31.68 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2,0, Hands: 7850

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with J :heart: K :club:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.20, 2 folds, MP calls $1.45

      Flop: ($4.75) 4 :club: 9 :club: 6 :club: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $2.20, MP calls $2.20

      Turn: ($9.15) 9 :heart: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $5.00, MP calls $5

      River: ($19.15) J :spade: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero checks

      Villain Fold 3bet 35% , fold2cbet 3betpot 46% , x/raise cbet In general 4% , 4bet range 2%. My intention was to bet F , bet T and shove R if I don`t hit anything. I think this line could make him fold TT,JJ,QQ or Acx

      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2723144
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      UTG: $31.55 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 8, AF: 2,7, Hands: 7412
      CO: $25.35 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 23, 3B: 6, AF: 2,2, Hands: 1736
      Hero (BTN): $51.46 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 107981
      SB: $28.70 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2,2, Hands: 2624
      BB: $25.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2,8, Hands: 4475

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with J :club: K :diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75

      Flop: ($4.75) K :spade: 2 :club: A :diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($4.75) 3 :club: (2 players)
      SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

      River: ($9.75) A :club: (2 players)
      SB bets $6.25, Hero calls $6.25

      Villain SBvsBTN resteal 20%. Cbet 3bet pot OOP 38% , x/fold F 79% in general. OTF I decided to x/back because I have SDV and If I bet he would probably call with weak aces.. OTT he could bet his weak aces and also as a bluff with GS or FD or totaly air since I showed weakness OTF. Now when I review I think I should have folded OTR because his bet is mostly for value . But at that moment I thought he doesn`t represent an A so I called hoping he is bluffing me.
    • IuriTPena
      IuriTPena
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      Joined: 08.04.2012 Posts: 1,367
      I have some more hands but should be pretty same spots as cantiflas post.

      I have some tendency to not 3bet bluff when they don't fold to 3bet, insted I 3bet a somewhat linear range but should we prefer blockers or playability?
      In case of playability, lets say BU vs MP (or: 20%, fold to 3bet: 40% ) we prefer 3bet QJs or 76s for example? QJs sounds like a call but kinda sucks 3bet 76s and loose to higher flushes. What changes if it was BU vs CO (or: 30% folt to 3bet 40%) ?
    • double2
      double2
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      Guys, don't forget to post in this thread hands with post flop in 3bet pots when you are the 3bettor. The coaching is already this Thursday.

      See you soon.
    • bonecore
      bonecore
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.11.2009 Posts: 1,057
      if i 3bet more than 15% opponents seem to adapt at NL5. They adapt in a bad way even at 10%... they dont adapt according to position.

      Question 1: if i 3bet 35% then my average would be just 10%? I wanted to construct my default 3bet ranges with 25% vs unknown.
      Question 2: how to learn faster the cc and 3bet ranges, i need a good advice to learn logic and fast!!!
      I have an idea...... to work aside table on equilab and create cold calling and 3bet ranges IP and OOP vs 10% OR, 15,20,25,30,35,... and to print it and use it at table. Is this a good way or you have a faster way ?
      PS: its a bit too complicated because i have to include polarization and merged and linear polarized(a bit merged).So i have to learn 3more types of 3bet ranges. Not to mention that my cold calling range is different in each situation because 3bet goes hand in hand with cold call. This will take a year or more to work just on this subject.
      Question 3: you said we need to defend 50% to 4bets so why is that... how did u get 50% number? (i find it huge) What is the principle of how much we should defend?
      Question 4: i need some basic 3bet database filter analyses... what should i mainly check for?
      Question 5: i have written a how to construct 3bet ranges... what is your opinion on it?
      Constructing 3bet ranges
      1)Villain’s PFR% tells us how often to 3bet.
      As a general rule we should 3bet 25% of villain’s OR range if he is unknown.(double2 says 33%)
      25% is a multiplier between 15 and 35 dependent on P.E.
      -When P.E. is low we can 3bet 15% of villain OR%.
      -When P.E. is high we can 3bet 35% of villain OR%.
      -When P.E. is nonexistent we can 3bet 50% of villain OR%.
      Eg1. Unknown villain open raises from CO and we are on BTN.
      First thing is to assume a range for CO-villain. Lets say 26%.
      We 3bet 25% of 26% = 6.5% of hands.
      2)Villain’s Fold to 3bet% tells us what ratio between bluff and value should we use when 3betting.
      In other words the ratio between bluff range and total 3bet range should be exactly villain's Fold to 3bet%
      VS unknowns we should create a report for our limit and see the average Ft3bet%.
      If we don’t have a database at that limit we can assume Ft3bet=50%
      Eg2. Unknown villain open raises from CO and we are on BTN.
      We assume Ft3bet=55% so we should 3bet 50% as a bluff and 50% for value.
      From Eg1 we know we 3bet 6.5%. We 3bet as a bluff 50% of 6.5% = 3.25% and for value 3.25%.
      3)When to polarize your range?
      -When P.E. is low or high(opponent calls a wide range, especially when they have position) - merge your range
      -When P.E. is close to nonexistent (villain plays 4bet or fold, especially when he is OOP) - polarize your range
      Obs: When you polarize your range, the 3bet bluff range should be the best hands we are folding.
      Also make sure that range vs range equity is about 55% in your favor.
      -VS unknowns we can use a linear polarized range (a polarized range that is more to value and less to bluff).
      Obs:Use high-equity hands in position such as suited Ax and suited Kx and offsuit broadways.

      Question 6: i have written a how to adjust our range based on postflop expectation. What do you think about it?
      Range adjustments principles – general (OR,3bet,CC)
      TIGHTEN UP YOUR RANGE when P.E. is low( we encounter difficulties in stealing postflop)
      -vs shortstacks (because of low fold equity caused by low SPR)
      -vs aggressive opponents (bc they resteal or put us in difficult spots with our marginal hands)
      -vs not nitty enough opponents (bc they will call light) - low FTS%. low FtCbet, WTSD>25)
      -vs unknown opponents (we consider postflop expectation as low because it is less exploitable)
      -when playing OOP, 3+ players left to act, bluffy table image
      LOOSEN UP YOUR RANGE when P.E. is high ( we have a good chance to steal postflop)
      -vs tight deepstacks (we have high SPR, good implied odds so we can put more pressure postflop)
      -vs passive opponents (we get cheaper SD with our marginal hands or draws)- low 3bet%, Cbet%, AF
      -vs too nitty opponents (we make them fold their good hands too often)- high FTS%, high FtCbet, WTSD<25
      -when playing IP, few players left to act, table image conductive to stealing
      Obs1:-when purely isolating a player that never folds top pair hands postflop(calling station)
      Obs2:-vs players that don’t call raises(VPIP-PFR<2%,high FTS) and dont call 3bets (high FT3B)<=> non existent P.E.
    • bonecore
      bonecore
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.11.2009 Posts: 1,057
      6max
      SB: $12.98 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 37, 3B: 0, AF: 1.1, Hands: 170, ATS 80% from SB, Ft3bet oop 45%, general call3bet 53%, WTSD 35%
      Hero (BB): $5.77 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.3, Hands: 64656

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with Q :diamond: 8 :spade:
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.11, Hero raises to $0.33, SB calls $0.22

      Flop: ($0.66) 3 :heart: 2 :club: T :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.66) 7 :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

      River: ($4.06) J :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $3.74, SB calls $3.74
    • 2reac
      2reac
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.04.2014 Posts: 1,279
      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

      SB: $30.99 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2,2, Hands: 4653
      Hero (BB): $45.13 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 119394
      UTG: $25.64 - VPIP: 52, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 3,3, Hands: 384
      MP: $30.88 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2,3, Hands: 6952
      CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 1,4, Hands: 2762
      BTN: $34.92 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2,4, Hands: 4741

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 6 :diamond: K :diamond:
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.62, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.20, CO calls $1.58

      Flop: ($4.50) Q :diamond: 4 :club: 3 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.40, CO calls $2.40

      Turn: ($9.30) T :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.90, CO calls $4.90

      River: ($19.10) 3 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $35.63, CO calls $15.50 all in

      Villain F23bet - 44% , F2Cbet in 3Bpot - 61% . My intention was to 3bet and Cbet one street but than I got some eq OTT and OTT I thought I could fold him from a Qx.
      ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

      UTG: $25.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 4, AF: 2,4, Hands: 3666
      MP: $25.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2,5, Hands: 2542
      CO: $12.36 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 7, 3B: 5, AF: 1,6, Hands: 57
      BTN: $33.41 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2,1, Hands: 4190
      Hero (SB): $31.66 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 119394
      BB: $4.64 - VPIP: 75, PFR: 26, 3B: 16, AF: 2,1, Hands: 95

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A :diamond: A :club:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, MP calls $2.75, 1 fold

      Flop: ($8.00) J :club: 8 :spade: 6 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.40, MP raises to $10.90, Hero raises to $28.16, MP calls $10.60 all in

      Turn: ($51.00) 9 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: ($51.00) 4 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Villain F23bet 66%. WTSD 21%
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      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players -

      UTG: $25.00 - VPIP: 39, PFR: 29, 3B: 9, AF: 0,4, Hands: 31
      CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2,0, Hands: 5954
      BTN: $30.46 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 4, 3B: 6, AF: 19,5, Hands: 122
      Hero (SB): $25.10 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 119394
      BB: $30.59 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2,4, Hands: 11352

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A :diamond: K :diamond:
      UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.25) T :diamond: 2 :spade: 2 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.90, UTG calls $2.90

      Turn: ($11.05) 4 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.70, UTG calls $5.70

      River: ($22.45) 5 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $14.00, UTG calls $13.90 all in

      Same as the first hand, but this time I think it`s even a better spot to 3barrel bluff.
      ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players -

      BB: $38.71 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1,1, Hands: 187
      CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 2,0, Hands: 5930
      BTN: $26.68 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1,2, Hands: 971
      Hero (SB): $33.50 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 119394

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A :club: Q :club:
      1 fold, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.90, BB calls $1.65, BTN calls $1.40

      Flop: ($5.70) A :spade: 7 :heart: 2 :diamond: (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.72, BB calls $2.72, BTN folds

      Turn: ($11.14) 8 :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

      River: ($24.14) 5 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $11.57, Hero folds

      OTR I expect him to xback AJ,AQ even AK sometimes. But what about Turn? It`s fine to x/call or we can x/fold?
      _________________________________________________________________________________________


      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players -

      BTN/SB: $25.00 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 52, 3B: 27, AF: 0,8, Hands: 23
      Hero (BB): $29.46 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3,1, Hands: 119394

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J :club: 6 :club:
      BTN/SB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2, BTN/SB calls $1.25

      Flop: ($4.00) J :spade: 3 :heart: 6 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, BTN/SB calls $2.50

      Turn: ($9.00) A :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.60, BTN/SB calls $4.60

      River: ($18.20) Q :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $20.36, BTN/SB calls $15.90 all in


      HU situation.
    • Maarteen
      Maarteen
      Silver
      Joined: 15.10.2012 Posts: 878
      PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $29.43 (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 20)
      SB: $19.12 (VPIP: 26.44, PFR: 21.36, 3Bet Preflop: 9.40, Hands: 301)
      BB: $31.77 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      UTG: $21.25 (VPIP: 35.45, PFR: 19.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 114)
      Hero (MP): $16.37
      CO: $17.09 (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

      SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has J:heart: J:diamond:

      UTG raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $1.28, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.72

      Flop: ($2.80, 2 players) 4:club: 9:spade: 6:spade:
      UTG checks, Hero bets $1.44, UTG calls $1.44

      Turn: ($5.68, 2 players) 5:club:
      UTG bets $4.00, Hero raises to $13.65 and is all-in, UTG calls $9.65

      River: ($32.98, 2 players) K:heart:

      UTG shows T:club: T:heart: (One Pair, Tens)
      (Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows J:heart: J:diamond: (One Pair, Jacks)
      (Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
      Hero wins $31.50