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A question of poker ethics

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 10,491
      Today I entered a satellite to a tournament later in the day.

      After entering, I noticed the following:
      This tournament leads to today's $750 guaranteed tournament..
      Two seats guaranteed! Satellite winners may NOT unregister Good luck!
      At the moment, there are enough players that there are 3 seats to be awarded, and 4th gets the leftovers in cash.

      The question is this:
      Is it considered unethical to deliberately bust out in whatever spot gets the cash?

      Assuming it is possible to do so, of course.

      Cheers,
      VS
  • 5 replies
    • GoOnCal1
      GoOnCal1
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      Joined: 22.01.2015 Posts: 590
      'Unethical"?
      I tried to do this once, shoved a random hand, got a family pot and won
      :-(
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Hi, GoOnCal1
      lol -- isn't that always the way?

      In this case, it is not "chip dumping" because you have no agreement with anyone to actually dump the chips.

      I thought of getting into 4th place, then just sit out, but you run the risk of someone busting out ahead of you.

      I looked online to see if any poker rooms terms and conditions covered this, but could find nothing.

      Perhaps someone knows for sure,
      VS
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Sometimes I would do this on those steps tournaments on FTP. I don't feel it is unethical or illegal. To an extent the problem lies with the site for creating a payout structure where some may feel 4th place is more valueable than first.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by w34z3l
      Sometimes I would do this on those steps tournaments on FTP. I don't feel it is unethical or illegal. To an extent the problem lies with the site for creating a payout structure where some may feel 4th place is more valueable than first.
      Hi, w34z3l
      Thanks for that. After I posted that I decided that as long as you play within the rules of the game, and within the T & C of the poker room, then choosing to bust out 4th is fine.

      As it turns out, I made 4th with this hand:

      C$2000/C$4000 NL - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 42,100 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 1.85, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 55)
      Hero (SB): 25,320
      BB: 37,937 (VPIP: 43.55, PFR: 4.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
      CO: 19,143 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 6.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)

      4 players post ante of 400, Hero posts SB 2,000, BB posts BB 4,000

      Pre Flop: (pot: 7,600) Hero has :8d: :8h:

      fold, BTN calls 4,000, Hero raises to 8,000, fold, BTN calls 4,000

      Flop: (21,600, 2 players) :5c: :8s: :Tc:
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: (21,600, 2 players) :7s:
      Hero bets 4,000, BTN calls 4,000

      River: (29,600, 2 players) :Ks:
      Hero bets 12,920 and is all-in, BTN calls 12,920

      BTN shows :Qs: :Js: (Flush, King High)
      (Pre 49%, Flop 17%, Turn 23%)
      Hero shows :8d: :8h: (Three of a Kind, Eights)
      (Pre 51%, Flop 83%, Turn 77%)
      BTN wins 55,440

      One of the weird times when you HOPE your opponent makes his flush :s_biggrin:

      Peace,
      VS
    • Lazza61
      Lazza61
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      Joined: 23.03.2011 Posts: 10,677
      I was in a MPS Satelitte where the main payout were tickets to an $11 satellite. The leftover prize was $8.19. As a freeroller (this was a few years ago), the $8.19 cash was far more valuable than an $11 ticket to a satellite for a live event on the other side of the world.

      As soon as the bubble burst, i chucked allin, managed to get called by a bigger stack, and busted with the cash. I then took $1.10 of it into a PLO MTT and finished 3/71 for another $10.

      So karma must have thought it was fine :coolface: