Ranges

    • noragaza1
      noragaza1
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      Hello,

      I am playing Limit holdem on stars. So far I have read and understand articles on PokerStrategy (starting hands, odds, pot odds) Now I am having problem with ranges of other players, I am playing 0,02/0,04 blinds and players are raising UTG 72o and staf like that, I literaly can't put other players on any cards. Can you help me with this. This also efects on me, for example I hold qq or kk on button, and there is a raise from UTG I reraise from button and he reraises me, flop is like A,x,x, and the guy just go nuts raising and I am doing just flat calls on the end he show cards like A 2,3,4, how can I play this ?
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    • VorpalF2F
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      Hi, noragaza1,
      Welcome to the PokerStrategy.com forums!

      In limit games they are trying to inflate the pot pre-flop so that if they do hit they can make more $.

      There are two ways to attack this.
      :diamond:  Play the same game, only better. Run over them. If they are playing 50% of hands, play the top 25% -- but cap pre and then cap every street following. They will win some of the time, but not the majority, and you will make money. More likely though they will just leave the table. They won't like playing against you.
      :diamond:   Play the opposite game. Tighten up to about the top 10 to 15 % of hands, and deny them all but the blinds when they win.

      Seating position is important here. You want to be on this player's left so that you can be in position against him as much as possible.

      Against such an aggressive player be wary when he seems to go passive -- he thinks he is trapping.
      (hmmm -- maybe that doesn't apply as much in limit)

      I don't play Limit Hold'em all that much, but I play other limit games, and occasionally see the same behaviour.

      Hopefully some of the limit specialists will reply and correct me :s_ugly:

      Best of luck,
      VS
    • Avataren
      Avataren
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      give me an hour of your time and im pretty sure i can make you an immediate winner at 2/4c / 5/Tc
    • noragaza1
      noragaza1
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      I would be more than happy to give you one hour. How can I contact you, since I don't have a bronze status ? I don't know if it is by the rules to leave here a skype, but here it is: edited by VorpalF2F
      Thank you
    • VorpalF2F
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      Hi, noragaza1,
      Welcome to PokerStrategy.com!
      Good guess -- our forum principles do not permit posting personal contact information.

      Bronze status is easy enough to obtain -- just check out the free money offers and if you fulfill the requirements of any one of them you'll be instantly bronze.

      If they are not available in your area, you can purchase status at any level you choose. The the time has elapsed, you will remain bronze.

      Best of luck,
      VS
    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
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      You will easily beat the smaller games in time. Just remember, there is no guarantee that you will be a winner by just following the open raising charts. (As I recall, there is such a guarantee somewhere in the articles. Forget it!)

      Avataren can surely teach you how to crush the micros. (Maybe not in 1 hour:D He's teaching me, but I still don't get it after 3 years.) He is a solid winner there.
    • Avataren
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      get bronze and you can pm me it through pokerstrategy. sadly there are rules that says for your own safety that skype cant be exchanged in public threads.

      but as YohaNN7 says i probably cant do it in 1 hour. it all depends on you how much you want to learn it but surely i can turn you into a micro stakes winner within a "short time" depending on how well you listen.

      needless to say yohan hasnt been the best student even after 3 years :P
    • YohanN7
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      Maybe off topic, but do you really need bronze to PM? Wouldn't think so.
    • YohanN7
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      Oh, by the way, do get bronze status by passing the test and taking one of the "free offers". These "free offers" aren't as good as they used to be, and playing at Stars is pretty much the only option in the long term. But it is a "no lose deal" to take one of the offers. You will also need a site that is "tracked to you" to get Poker Strategy Points" and thus be able to see some good material, like Boomer's videos. Be sure to watch the one (ones?) by him that are free, and you will see what I mean. Go to the video section and search for freely available videos. There are more than Boomer's vid's there. Especially, I'm thinking about one by "JohnnyRocket":

      See search results for "freebies" here: FL freebies...
    • Avataren
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      brag post

      note around the red dot i started to actually learn FL before that i was a husng nl losing player and playing something insane like 16/6/3
      It wasn't before i reached 100k hands mark i started trying out the higher stakes. Yes im a br nit, I hate to lose :P

      Yes i spent too much time on 5/Tc :D


      reason for this post is to actually show that i actually know what im talking about regarding 5/Tc :P
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by Avataren
      brag post
      Hi, Avataren,
      Worth bragging about -- well done!

      Best of luck,
      VS
    • noragaza1
      noragaza1
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      Joined: 08.03.2015 Posts: 5
      Hey guys,

      after a while I am asking for some help with evaluating hands. So here is my graph and I would really appreciate if somebody would take few minutes and tell me where are my mistakes. Thank you in advance.


      Edit:When I'm playing I'm not using holdem manager, because my long term plan is to play live limit holdem.
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      We can't identify any mistakes based on a graph.

      It seems like you've been getting lucky in non-showdown hands. That's about all I can tell from this graph.
    • kavboj84
      kavboj84
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      We can't identify any mistakes based on a graph.
      Did he mention such a thing ? I thought he'd just put it in and besides wanted some help with leakfinding.

      And one mistake is surely there, it is the sample size. Graphs under 1-200k hands show basically nothing meaningful.
    • Avataren
      Avataren
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      Originally posted by kavboj84
      We can't identify any mistakes based on a graph.
      Did he mention such a thing ? I thought he'd just put it in and besides wanted some help with leakfinding.

      And one mistake is surely there, it is the sample size. Graphs under 1-200k hands show basically nothing meaningful.
      according to you then my graph qualifies as good enough :D yay.

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      @OP I still didnt get a pm from you but i would like to help you. just pm me and ill add you to my skype and we can talk.