Will Titan be banned in Portugal?

    • PsyPachamama
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      Ive started in titan 4 days ago... can you tell me if Titan is one of the rooms that will banned the Portuguese players?

      Thanks... and sorry for the english :P
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    • rompas
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      Hi,

      I dont have any information that they will leave the portuguse market now, and if you didnt get any email from them i assume they will not leave.

      so gl playing

      Rompas
    • PsyPachamama
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      Hi, thanks rompas! Good news :)
    • rompas
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      Hi,

      well for now its good news, but to tell you the truth, noone knows how it will be, which operators will stay or not,
      what i understand the new law will be in place from monday 29th, and which operators that choose to stay or leave i dont know,, and which operators that will get a license i also dont know so its possible Titan or other rooms will follow and close as PKR, William Hill, Gala and Coral already did.

      As new poker player i understand its frustrating for you that you didnt know this would happen, and right now we cant just wait and see how it will be.

      Rompas
    • PsyPachamama
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      Thats what i will do... it hurts but its better than be more frustrated in future. If I'm frustrated , I can only imagine how it is who plays for longer time than me...

      Thanks mate!
    • Belg
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      thank you for your answer rompas, will there be any official statement from pokerstrategy informing the other communities (i am from the german community) about recent changes in portugal anytime soon? or could maybe someone who does speak portuguese explain what the changes will be? :)

      as far as i understand so far it is clear that william hill, coral and pkr are exiting the market.
      - the law says that tournament poker and omaha hold em are allowed, so if a operator gets a license for the market there would be no mixed games?
      - the operator would be taxed 30% on revenue?

      tnx in advance
    • pokerman911985
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      Originally posted by Belg
      thank you for your answer rompas, will there be any official statement from pokerstrategy informing the other communities (i am from the german community) about recent changes in portugal anytime soon? or could maybe someone who does speak portuguese explain what the changes will be? :)

      as far as i understand so far it is clear that william hill, coral and pkr are exiting the market.
      - the law says that tournament poker and omaha hold em are allowed, so if a operator gets a license for the market there would be no mixed games?
      - the operator would be taxed 30% on revenue?

      tnx in advance

      hi.. the new law say that all money games must pay a tax to the government from 15% to 30% from here profit!! In same cases it can hit the 50%!! this law is for all money game types!!!! it is to much for the most poker rooms to pay but i think some of them have a profit that can afford this taxes!! another aspect from the law it is that you are German player but imagine that you came on holidays to Portugal and play. when you play at Portugal using our internet to play then you will pay the taxes too!!! this i can´t be 100% sure but i did read this in one of the laws publish..till now is GALA WILLIAM HILL,CORAL AND PKR that did leave the Portuguese market!! i hope this help!!! if you want more info simply ask.. if you want i can speak German too, if it is better for you!? good luck :f_drink:
    • Belg
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      thank you pokerman, in fact I know some players who plan to move to Portugal if the laws provide no taxation for the players
      with many rooms exiting the market it is obviously worse for professionals but nevertheless when pokerstars gets the license and stays in the market it is better than before :f_thumbsup:
      english is fine for me, people from other communities are maybe interested, too :)
    • pokerman911985
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      Originally posted by Belg
      thank you pokerman, in fact I know some players who plan to move to Portugal if the laws provide no taxation for the players
      with many rooms exiting the market it is obviously worse for professionals but nevertheless when pokerstars gets the license and stays in the market it is better than before :f_thumbsup:
      english is fine for me, people from other communities are maybe interested, too :)

      no problem. we are here to help each other!!! i want to believe that Portugal in the future will not provide a law for the Portuguese players, but i am Portuguese and i know that the government will see profit at the taxation on the players. When they see that, they will create as usual a law to eat some profit from the players.. believe me!!! they always put high taxation on the profitable business and money profits.. lol.. this is the government of my country..lol.. but they never have money to get a better life for the people and to improve the country!!! LOL.. :f_drink:
    • ilostmysoul
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      Originally posted by rompas
      Hi,

      well for now its good news, but to tell you the truth, noone knows how it will be, which operators will stay or not,
      what i understand the new law will be in place from monday 29th, and which operators that choose to stay or leave i dont know,, and which operators that will get a license i also dont know so its possible Titan or other rooms will follow and close as PKR, William Hill, Gala and Coral already did.

      As new poker player i understand its frustrating for you that you didnt know this would happen, and right now we cant just wait and see how it will be.

      Rompas
      This is interesting.
      I noticed something weird happening to my PKR because I couldn't play for Real Money anymore, although I could play freerolls. I didn't think this was related to them leaving the portuguese marketing because unlike Coral they never contacted me.

      I deposited with them this month and I had freeroll tickets that they aren't allowing me to play. I was promised said tickets if I deposited and now I can't take advantage of them. I want a refund.

      EDIT: Just noticed they probably didn't contact me because I unsubscribed.
    • Belg
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      haha, lets hope that that will not happen
      there are no taxes on live poker in portugal atm (is this correct? ), so why do you believe they would tax the players?
    • ilostmysoul
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      Originally posted by Belg
      haha, lets hope that that will not happen
      there are no taxes on live poker in portugal atm (is this correct? ), so why do you believe they would tax the players?
      Live is different. The new law applies to online poker only. It was made legal to the full extent of the law.

      Players are not taxed directly, the room is while proving prizes to the portuguese players and they also have to pay a license. If the players had to pay the tax themselves then things wouldn't change.
    • Belg
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      yeah i know, i believe that it will be like in .uk, cuts for vpps on stars would be made, sites like pokerstars.fr and winamax would exit the market
      the fact that big ipoker skins exit is disappointing, lets hope that not only stars is available for the players

      but my questions remains, live poker is not taxed for the players, right?
      if someone here from portugal wants to talk about this in skype to not derail the thread you can add me in the community tool :f_thumbsup:
    • rompas
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      Hi Belg,

      as it is weekend i cant say if pokerstrategy will do some news about this at all communitys, droping a note to people in charge
      and geting back to you.

      operators that choose to stay and get a license will pay 15% to 30% tax depending on how big the revenue is.

      about mixed games i dont know, i didnt find any info about that somewhere..

      hope this helps little bit, if you have anymore questions, just ask and i will try to help you.

      Regards/ Rompas
    • ilostmysoul
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      Nop. Live is not taxed.

      The thing is, Santa Casa (the organization behind EuroMillions that is working for the government) is trying to monopolize every game. They also have taxes on online sport betting now, and not surprisingly, Santa Casa will now publicly release sport betting tickets on affiliated coffee shops. They are basically saying "You can pay this online, but you can only legally receive 70% or so. But if instead you play with us on your nearest coffee house, you can legally get more than that"!
      Casinos are trying to get some action too. Basically every gambling wealthy organization that benefits from having a "partnership" with the government is told to be behind this law.
    • Belg
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      Originally posted by rompas
      Hi Belg,

      as it is weekend i cant say if pokerstrategy will do some news about this at all communitys, droping a note to people in charge
      and geting back to you.

      operators that choose to stay and get a license will pay 15% to 30% tax depending on how big the revenue is.

      about mixed games i dont know, i didnt find any info about that somewhere..

      hope this helps little bit, if you have anymore questions, just ask and i will try to help you.

      Regards/ Rompas

      thank you very much :f_thumbsup:
      I found those informations about mixed games here : http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=47239390&postcount=754


      Originally posted by ilostmysoul
      Nop. Live is not taxed.

      The thing is, Santa Casa (the organization behind EuroMillions that is working for the government) is trying to monopolize every game. They also have taxes on online sport betting now, and not surprisingly, Santa Casa will now publicly release sport betting tickets on affiliated coffee shops. They are basically saying "You can pay this online, but you can only legally receive 70% or so. But if instead you play with us on your nearest coffee house, you can legally get more than that"!
      Casinos are trying to get some action too. Basically every gambling wealthy organization that benefits from having a "partnership" with the government is told to be behind this law.

      very interesting, thank you
    • pokerman911985
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      Originally posted by Belg
      haha, lets hope that that will not happen
      there are no taxes on live poker in portugal atm (is this correct? ), so why do you believe they would tax the players?

      that is true!! but till now they don´t put taxe on poker but now they out this on poker rooms.. they saw that many money moves around in poker community in Portugal and more many of this many went to other countries and the Portugal government doesn´t win with that.. they saw that and create this law for poker rooms!!! when they see that some Portuguese are earning many money at poker they will create the law.. why do you think that many business are working at Portugal but have the central in other country and pay the most taxes in that country.. One example is " PIGO DOCE", i think they have the central in Holland because of the low taxes.. some professional Portuguese poker players did have problems in the past to regulate here earning in Portugal.. I REALLY HOPE THAT the government never put taxes in the future to Portuguese poker players.. now i only want to withdraw my $132 blocked money and then deposit, play,improve my game and raise my bankroll!!! good luck for all!!! :f_drink: :f_drink:
    • pokerman911985
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      Originally posted by Belg
      Originally posted by rompas
      Hi Belg,

      as it is weekend i cant say if pokerstrategy will do some news about this at all communitys, droping a note to people in charge
      and geting back to you.

      operators that choose to stay and get a license will pay 15% to 30% tax depending on how big the revenue is.

      about mixed games i dont know, i didnt find any info about that somewhere..

      hope this helps little bit, if you have anymore questions, just ask and i will try to help you.

      Regards/ Rompas

      thank you very much :f_thumbsup:
      I found those informations about mixed games here : http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=47239390&postcount=754


      Originally posted by ilostmysoul
      Nop. Live is not taxed.

      The thing is, Santa Casa (the organization behind EuroMillions that is working for the government) is trying to monopolize every game. They also have taxes on online sport betting now, and not surprisingly, Santa Casa will now publicly release sport betting tickets on affiliated coffee shops. They are basically saying "You can pay this online, but you can only legally receive 70% or so. But if instead you play with us on your nearest coffee house, you can legally get more than that"!
      Casinos are trying to get some action too. Basically every gambling wealthy organization that benefits from having a "partnership" with the government is told to be behind this law.

      very interesting, thank you

      hi this is another TRUE!!!! the SANTA CASA controls all money lucky game in Portugal and they are guilty of all this new laws!! they did in the past charge more money from EuroMillions too!!! of course this SANTA CASA is a very good friend of the Portuguese government too!! they want all for them.. this isn´t new.. very normal.. lol-- :f_mad:
    • Belg
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      just surfed the portuguese forum, found some links

      http://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/empresas/detalhe/quer_apostar_online_agora_ja_pode.html

      anything new here?
    • pokerman911985
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      hi.. this journal said in a few words that the law will get really approved in around 2-3 month and that the money gambling now legal in Portugal and the Portuguese Casinos,Santa casa and others now can provide this service to the Portuguese.. lol.. all business . in this case they want to gain profit with poker too as the other countries that is allowed!! :f_drink: :f_drink:
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