why do I suck at Regular tables?

    • psyxxx74
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      I have decent win rate on the zoom/speed type poker, but I suck on Regular tables (very micro limit, like NL2~NL4) . Does anyone else have/had the same problem as I do? I doubt they are exploiting me at this stake.... could it be that they are more nitty? (I found Ipoker NL2 is very nitty btw) thus one big mistake is very hard to recover? (Not to mention infamous Ipoker River Bad Beats) or could it be that they are so fishy that they call all my bluff? as to in fast poker games they fold more?? or could it be just variance? (around 30K hands each to compare)

      Could it be Tilt from villain's bad play? (In fast poker, you don't often see the same villain again right? )

      I have no idea, but i know I'm doing worse on regular tables...
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    • SDK1987
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      I have moved the thread to the No–limit section. Than the cash gamers will find you’re thread earlier.

      Maybe it’s good to know what you’re ZOOM and regular tables stats looks like. So it’s good to know how you play on every position in both formats and variance could be a issue as well.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • GoOnCal1
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      If you have 30,000 hands in each format, then you have all the answers you need !!!!!

      If you are using HM2 then it is simple:
      Tab Opponents, tab summaries
      (run this twice with filters for zoom then regular)
      Post results this thread
      :-)

      eg. from my stats, 6max micro NLH (regular) last 30,000 hands the composite villain average stats are :
      VPIP 21.7 % PFR 14.2% 3Bet 5.2
      Sry I don't have field stats for zoom



      Btw ....
      Zoom sucks
      Imo, regular table players are much more likely to adapt/recognise your playing foibles (on average.depends)
      whereas in zoom , for me anyway, I don't really have enough time to understand different bunch of villains each hand, but at a regular table its impossible not to notice a 100% stealer on your right
      :-)

      Hope that helps?
    • psyxxx74
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      How do you remove your stats from the summaries?
    • GoOnCal1
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      Originally posted by psyxxx74
      How do you remove your stats from the summaries?
      Good Question !

      I'm Buggered If I know !

      For the purposes of assessing the whole field, we should count ourselves in?
      (depending on ....) our own stats will make a significant contribution...but probably lie not to far from the norm to make a significant difference

      Still it is a general question about game and player types, so coarse statistics are still a good guide imo
      (we are not building a rocket engine)
      :-)
    • GoOnCal1
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      So what was the comparison?
    • psyxxx74
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      VPIP/PFR/3bet/Agg% /WTSD/FCbet/TCbet/RCbet/FtFCbet/FtTCbet/FtRCbet
      IPokerNL2: 26.5/15.8/5.2/34.3/25.2/61.9/50.5/32.3/49.1/29.5/20.3
      PartyNL4: 28.2/15.4/5.0/32.5/26.7/58.2/51.2/35.0/49.7/31.4/26.1
      PartyFastNL4: 23.8/14.9/5.0/34.4/28.1/60.3/51.9/35.8/46.4/28.5/26.7

      I thought Fast games people are folding more but looks not...
      It really could be variance, or more fishes in the fast format.. .don't really know..
      But I did change my c-betting to less bluff and more value, and seems to be working on regular tables, so the data could involve my stats as well....

      Not sure where to go on from here.
    • GoOnCal1
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      WTSD stat fast is significantly different (mistake?)
      Might have misread, vertical aligned would be easier to read
      Not explained in the post if these are your stats, or composite villains

      Average stats will "average out" fishier stats if that makes any sense. As you scroll through villains you can visually appraise how many may vary significantly from the average (deviation from norm). If we were desperate for a technical answer we could cut and past HM2 data into a stats programs, the format with the highest standard deviation from the norm, I expect would be the "fishiest"

      For my self, I play regular games well but have never adjusted to fast well.
    • psyxxx74
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      WTSD for fast game is 28 indeed i was surprised about it too
    • GoOnCal1
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      Tentatively, that's our answer then, regular tables are fishier, (and by extension you need to learn to fish if you play them.
      :-)
    • T3rMiT3
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      This is from STARS NL2 6 max zoom if anyone interested:
    • GoOnCal1
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      This is 6max Regular (mixed sites)

    • unshpe
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      Small sample or you don't understand poker, that's the only logical conclusion.
    • Tomaloc
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      regular tables are very boring, thats clearly the reason
    • psyxxx74
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      unshpe: you are right i suck. Thanks for reminding me that although the title did say it, if you can read.
      Kids like you are the exact reason why I don't want to post, but thanks for reminding me that too.