Blowing my bankroll on 1$ SnG's

    • Freaky304
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      Hi i recently picked up poker again after getting the partypoker offer and i really like sng's. Now i started playing with the lessons on this site (It has been a few months so I have a hardcopy of the charts next to me while playing).

      Now i have the problem that i busted my 50$ bankroll 4 times almost on the 1$ sng's. I don't wanna say i'm a perfect player... FAR from it, but everytime i reached 6-9$ left i decide to give it an all or nothing shot on the 3 dollar sng's untill i'm back around 20$ and then i switch back to 1$ sng's and bust my bankroll again.

      I noticed alot of bad beats on the 1$ buy-ins and i have a high percentage of pay-outs on the 3$ buy-ins.

      I reall don't know why i'm so much more succesfull on the 3$ buy-ins maybe i'm a little bit more focused or something but i'm really considering stopping with the 1$ sng's. I know it's against the highest rules of bankroll management (but if i had sticked to it that 50$ would have already been gone by now) , but I don't know what else to do somehow (probably my own fault) I just can't seem to win on the 1$ tournaments

      The difference is very big about an estimated 2 or 3 percent of the 1$ SnG's I get to the prizes and around 30% on the 3$ SnG's.

      I'm about to go analyze all my hands on both levels again and compare them but if I don't find a significant difference on both levels in my play I really see no other way out...

      Has anybody here ever had the same problem maybe even only on partypoker (cause I don't have the problem when i play the minimum buy-in on Titan)? Or does anyone have a better solution for me, cause I don't really want to break the bankroll management rules.

      When i win big on the level I should play and loose when I play above my bankroll I can blame myself but now it's the otherway around and i'm really getting frustrated and I can play less and less before I go steaming.
  • 15 replies
    • dzejkej
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      hmm, that is interesting. it is really hard to believe $1 SnGs there are that cruel :( .. isn't the reason that really really bad play of the players there and suckouts are causing you to tilt a bit?

      it is your bankroll, so if $3 SnGs are for you and they suits you well, then play them :)

      i would suggest uploading some hand histories on the net and giving a link here, so other players with a bit of time can have a look on them and maybe it will help

      good luck! :)
    • Freaky304
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      Tnx that's a good advice i'm analyzing now anyway so i'll post some of the hands that I don't know for sure if i played them good or bad and post them here.

      So far I have found a number of things i can improve or have to stop doing. I have lost some chips that i shouldn't on some straight flush / royal flush draws post flop (probably too anxious to hit one that's not for play money ;) ) and a bunch on post flop misreads (probably because i'm more and more getting the feeling that the others are just throwing their chips in with nothing hands).

      But alot of chips i loose on non made hands. If i raise on the 3$ sng with AK AQ i get between 0 and 2 callers most times and in 1$ sng's between 3 and 6 and the chance of getting out flopped rises...
    • Cagey75
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      I play a lot of $1 sngs when I'm down a bit, but much prefer the $2, $5 and $10 (when I'm up a bit) ones.

      I often find $5.50 entry sngs easier to win than $1.10's! I put it down to the fact there's a LOT more fishy players in the lower levels. It's that simple, you'll find their range is a hell of a lot wider, they'll call raises with any 2 cards. Get wise to that and you should beat them no problem.
    • dzejkej
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      But alot of chips i loose on non made hands. If i raise on the 3$ sng with AK AQ i get between 0 and 2 callers most times and in 1$ sng's between 3 and 6 and the chance of getting out flopped rises...
      Well, if you get 3-6 players, then you should play TPTK hands a lot more carefully and passively and not to overplay them, also not c-bet with air, of course :) . When you are low on chips like 15xBB and lower, then just push with those hands, because normal raises are not scaring bad players enough and I would preffer play for my whole stack with one ba caller than play for 1/4th of my stack with 3 bad players :) .

      Also learn to preffer pocket pairs a lot more than suited connectors early. On lower buy-ins lot of folks are too aggressive on level 1-3 and they won't let you draw cheaply. You don't want to spent too much on draw and not overthink it and count immplied odds really - it is not a cash game. So don't really commit a lot of chips on a draw unless you are getting great pot odds.
    • Freaky304
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      Well guess what, tried the 1$ sng's again today, blew most of my remaining bankroll, played some 3$ sng's didn't play too good on them but won a little bit.

      @Cagey: I know they call on any 2 cards and normally i really don't mind cause i'm a pretty tight player especially in sng's, and someone with 10-3 offsuit against a-k suited is always nice ;) . But it really get's frustrating when 3 or more people keep calling you and hands like AK and AQ just don't hold up...

      And even when knowing it how do you do anything about it :( (in the push or fold stage) I can't not push an AQ because off the possibility that they all call me.

      @dzejkej: During the first stage I don't overplay them usually (offcourse mistakes happen and i make them often enough but not too often too lose very big on them. And I surely know better then bluffing those calling stations, can't find one bluff from me on all my 1$ sng's played on partypoker only some small bets to prevent them from making a huge raise when I want to improve my hand or I'm not sure if I have the best hand.

      The big problem is during the push or fold stage.

      Funny thing i found out while looking over all my played hands is that I actually are pretty lucky when making a bad call, it's just my quality hands (especially the hands i use to push all-in) where i receive bad beat after bad beat. Some examples are pocket aces against 4-6 suited flopped flush, AK against 9-4o etc. etc. add the pocket hands that get called by better hands like QQ against KK and you know how my sng's end :) .

      But for all your help I thank you but I guess my style isn't compatible with the 1$ level or I make a mistake that I can't find or ther are just too many lucky s.o.b's there but I made up my mind, I will switch to the 3$ on partypoker that saves me alot of frustration :) and should I go broke.... well I still have my Titan account and I can cash out my CDPoker account and place that on my Titan or Party account too :) .
    • rjacobs003
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      Not sure what the rake is but on a lot of sites the fee on the $1 SNG's is quite prohibitive and really bites into your win-rate. You should look at the entry fee as a % of the buy-in as a guage.
    • Freaky304
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      Not sure, party doesn't state the fee in their sng buy-in.

      Man this is getting brutal, busted today, played a 3000 field freeroll tournament got in the prizes (0,80 dollar) played shortstack on the lowest limit on shorthanded table until I got 3$ entered a 3$ buy in sng and won.

      played another and won again so I have 2/5th of my starting money back. I have had upswings and downswings often enough also i've had luck good and bad on the other pokersites but what is happening to me on partypoker.... It's kinda fun going from busted back to making a chance but i would rather just be able to expand my bankroll :D :P
    • Freaky304
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      I just found a factor that causes at least a handfull of 1$ sng's on party:)

      It is a combination of my play and the circumstances, it's in the blinds....

      On 1$ the blinds go from 100/200 to 200/300 and on 3$ from 100/200 to 150/300 (different then stated on their website) because my early play is very tight it causes me to often enter the push or fold stage in a weaker position. Lessons learned:

      1. I still hate 1$ sng's on party :P
      2. I have to improve my early game
    • Specialist23
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      The 1$ sng's on party are 3minute blinds.....its a crapshoot.
    • Kimber88
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      I tried to build a BR on party playing SnGs. No succes what so ever. The $1 I just couldn't beat. Variance was way too big and blind rise too quickly(and too much). I also found the higher buy ins way better to play. Anyways I stopped playing SnG. I only play NLHU SnG on stars nowadays.
    • RavForenzo
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      you can get very good micro limit SNG's on iPoker, so Titan and Mansion (dunno which others from here are iPoker), but they have regular blind rises, 7 minute levels. You can play tight, and pick up the pieces when the really bad players get all the chips.
    • Freaky304
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      @RavForenzo: Yeah i know :) , i play on titan and CDPoker thery are great also i like the fact that you can open more then 2 sng's there before the first one is over, PartyPoker is so slow in the sng department.

      But I have to sit it out for a while... the moment i clear my bonus my bankroll goes to titan or stars don't know which one yet :)

      @Kimber99: Tnx, at least i know for sure now that there are more people that had the problem, at first I was so convinced I was doing something wrong that I was on the brink of tilting almost constantly :)
    • Kimber88
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      You are definitly not alone.

      Tbh I deposited more money and moved up to $3.

      One thing before even concidering that though:
      Never ever deposit more money than you can afford to loose!!!

      Cheers,
      Kimber88
    • Freaky304
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      I would not dare , but thanks for the warning anyway :)
    • 8979687
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