ZOOM50 player tries to beat ZOOM10 (yes, this is the right title)

    • Tomaloc
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      hi!

      i'm a zoom sh50 regular in pokerstars. i have made a very healthy bankroll starting from the very bottom zoom levels... and well, the roll still there.
      i have been beating zoom sh25 pre-rb over a decent sample and now am also beating zoom sh50 pre-rb over a small sample. i actually also beat zoom sh10 pre-rb with over 10 BB/100 over a decent sample... well, that was before.

      so you might be wondering, what the fuck?

      it all started when i thought i was tired, so i decided to fire some zoom10 tables because, well, it should be easy!
      so well, i played some 800 hands, and this happened:



      ...ouch.
      so since my pride couldn't take the hit, i decided to grind it some more.

      results: i'm now down $85.51 instead, -$77.88 in EV after 4558 hands. i'm not even gonna post the graph, fuck that.

      so since i can't take that shit (what the fuck?), i'm going to grind some nl10 everyday after the daily nl50 grind until i get back into profit for nl10 this year or get so fucked that my mind literally blows up.
      expect daily reports, enjoy! might or might not post some hands with thought process, too much work.
  • 16 replies
    • Tomaloc
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      gonna start off with some pro reg plays because why not. yeah all these guys are regulars:


      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 142.1 BB
      SB: 337.1 BB
      BB: 133.6 BB
      UTG: 117.3 BB
      MP: 97.7 BB
      CO: 127.2 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: K:diamond:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 6.9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 4.4 BB

      Flop: (15.3 BB, 2 players) 4:spade: 3:heart: A:club:
      CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

      Turn: (35.3 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:
      CO checks, Hero bets 27 BB, CO raises to 62 BB, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to 125.2 BB and is all-in, CO calls 48.3 BB and is all-in

      River: (255.9 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:

      CO shows 6:club: 7:club: (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
      (Pre 42%, Flop 22%, Turn 20%)
      Hero shows A:spade: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
      (Pre 58%, Flop 78%, Turn 80%)
      CO wins 244.4 BB





      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 138.2 BB
      Hero (SB): 122.1 BB
      BB: 100 BB
      UTG: 113.1 BB
      MP: 102.1 BB
      CO: 410.8 BB

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:heart: J:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, BB calls 7 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

      Flop: (24 BB, 3 players) A:spade: 8:diamond: J:club:
      Hero bets 13.5 BB, BB calls 13.5 BB, BTN calls 13.5 BB

      Turn: (64.5 BB, 3 players) 2:club:
      Hero bets 32.1 BB, BB calls 32.1 BB, fold

      River: (128.7 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
      Hero bets 68.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 46.4 BB and is all-in

      Hero shows 8:club: J:spade: (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
      (Pre 40%, Flop 69%, Turn 64%)
      BB shows 7:club: A:club: (Flush, Ace High)
      (Pre 60%, Flop 31%, Turn 36%)
      BB wins 211.5 BB





      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 108.2 BB
      SB: 53.8 BB
      BB: 100 BB
      UTG: 303.5 BB
      MP: 117.5 BB
      CO: 122.1 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: J:spade:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.1 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.1 BB

      Flop: (17.7 BB, 2 players) A:spade: 2:spade: 3:heart:
      UTG checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (17.7 BB, 2 players) A:club:
      UTG bets 12.6 BB, Hero calls 12.6 BB

      River: (42.9 BB, 2 players) 6:club:
      UTG bets 30.7 BB, Hero calls 30.7 BB

      UTG shows 4:club: 5:club: (Straight, Six High)
      (Pre 42%, Flop 92%, Turn 77%)
      Hero mucks A:heart: J:spade: (Three of a Kind, Aces)
      (Pre 58%, Flop 8%, Turn 23%)
      UTG wins 99.6 BB





      almost folded this shit. i didn't want to believe it

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 127.4 BB
      SB: 57.3 BB
      BB: 38.9 BB
      UTG: 151.1 BB
      MP: 100 BB
      CO: 556.4 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:club: 5:spade:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5 BB

      Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 5:heart: 7:diamond: 6:spade:
      CO checks, Hero bets 12 BB, CO calls 12 BB

      Turn: (40.5 BB, 2 players) A:club:
      CO checks, Hero bets 28.5 BB, CO calls 28.5 BB

      River: (97.5 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:
      CO bets 47 BB, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls 47 BB

      CO shows 4:spade: A:spade: (Straight, Seven High)
      (Pre 33%, Flop 25%, Turn 18%)
      Hero mucks 5:club: 5:spade: (Three of a Kind, Fives)
      (Pre 67%, Flop 75%, Turn 82%)
      CO wins 182.9 BB





      on a serious note, every pro talks about how "sometime you'll run worse than you ever thought possible". on one hand, i know i will still see worse things in my lifetime (and in my own limits), but on the other i'm just happy that i'm getting to experience it at 5x lower stakes :D
    • NothingIsForSho
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      lol
    • Tomaloc
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      enough whining, let's add some hands that don't suck


      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 94.5 BB
      SB: 100.1 BB
      Hero (BB): 135.6 BB
      UTG: 332.6 BB
      MP: 110.8 BB
      CO: 59.3 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:club: T:spade:

      fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9:heart: 5:club: 9:club:
      Hero checks, MP bets 4.2 BB, Hero calls 4.2 BB

      Turn: (14.9 BB, 2 players) J:heart:
      Hero checks, MP checks

      River: (14.9 BB, 2 players) T:diamond:
      Hero...?

      so pre, flop and turn are standard. (if he bets turn it's close)
      on the river, we hit the 2-outer and have to decide between check or bet. so what's his range?

      he has mostly busted overcards and small pairs. if we bet, he folds, unless we bet like 1-2 BB (which is also cool). in any case, it's probably not worth to try to maximize value against that part of the range, so what else can he have?
      other hands are Jx-AA going for some pot control and maybe KQ. if we bet, he calls, so maybe we can bet big. but if we check, he probably bets. so...


      ...checks, MP bets 10.3 BB, Hero raises to 48.5 BB, MP calls 38.2 BB

      Hero shows T:club: T:spade: (Full House, Tens full of Nines)
      (Pre 56%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
      MP mucks K:club: Q:heart: (Straight, King High)
      (Pre 44%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
      Hero wins 106.9 BB







      improve your red line NOW

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB
      SB: 107.6 BB
      Hero (BB): 134.4 BB
      UTG: 269.2 BB
      MP: 104.1 BB
      CO: 93.7 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:diamond: 8:club:

      fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold

      Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 6:spade: 6:diamond: A:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB

      Turn: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 6:heart:
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
      Hero bets 1.5 BB, ...

      standard call preflop. easy call on the flop, turn is probably just a fold if he bets again.
      he can certainly still have Ax (i like checking this turn with Ax), but most people at nl10 are just betting. so we can try to get some value from K high or curiosity calls or something. if he raises, i give him credit


      ...BTN requests TIME, fold

      Hero wins 17.7 BB







      this one is interesting, think the success rate would be much lower higher up though

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB
      SB: 100 BB
      BB: 132.1 BB
      UTG: 139.7 BB
      MP: 218 BB
      Hero (CO): 148 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:spade: 9:diamond:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 5:heart: A:club: 3:heart:
      BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB, fold

      Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: (19.5 BB, 2 players) K:club:
      BB bets 9.8 BB, Hero raises to 31 BB, ...

      villain's range is tons of Ax and some few busted FD, he never has Kx unless its K for the Kx fd (probably about 3 combos). we can perfectly rep Kx with the flop stab and turn check, so i just went for it


      ...fold

      Hero wins 37.3 BB







      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB
      SB: 347.3 BB
      Hero (BB): 116.8 BB
      UTG: 49.8 BB
      MP: 104 BB
      CO: 100.4 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, UTG calls 11 BB, CO calls 11 BB

      Flop: (42.5 BB, 3 players) 3:diamond: 7:spade: 6:diamond:
      Hero checks, UTG bets 35.8 BB and is all-in, CO calls 35.8 BB, Hero raises to 102.8 BB and is all-in, CO requests TIME, CO calls 50.6 BB and is all-in

      Turn: (251.1 BB, 3 players) 9:club:

      River: (251.1 BB, 3 players) K:heart:
      Players agreed to run it twice.

      Turn #2: (251.1 BB, 3 players) 9:spade:

      River #2: (251.1 BB, 3 players) T:heart:

      Hero shows Q:club: Q:heart: (One Pair, Queens)

      Board #1 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 65%, Turn 71%)
      Board #1 Side Pot#1 [101.2 BB]: (Pre 81%, Flop 74%, Turn 77%)
      Board #1 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 65%, Turn 71%) (One Pair, Queens)

      Board #2 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 64%, Turn 70%)
      Board #1 Side Pot [101.2 BB]: (Pre 81%, Flop 74%, Turn 77%) (One Pair, Queens)

      Board #2 Side Pot [101.2 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 73%, Turn 76%)

      CO shows 5:heart: 5:spade: (One Pair, Fives)

      Board #1 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
      Board #1 Side Pot#1 [101.2 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 26%, Turn 23%)
      Board #1 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%) (One Pair, Fives)

      Board #2 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 26%, Turn 15%)
      Board #1 Side Pot [101.2 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 26%, Turn 23%) (One Pair, Fives)

      Board #2 Side Pot [101.2 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 27%, Turn 24%)

      UTG shows T:club: T:spade: (One Pair, Tens)

      Board #1 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 14%)
      Board #1 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 14%) (Three of a Kind, Tens)

      Board #2 Main Pot [149.9 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 15%)

      Hero wins 119.9 BB
      Hero wins 48.3 BB
      UTG wins 71.6 BB

      opener is a nitfish, co is some random reg.
      preflop i expect the opener to call very often and i don't want to give co good setmine odds, though i should have gone even bigger. :f_biggrin:
      flop is nice (no ace :f_biggrin: ) and these fuckers probably still have lots of pocket pairs anyway, so i expect one of them to make a "protection" bet with 88+. the perfect line of action happens with CO ending in the terrible sandwich spot, easy money

    • Tomaloc
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      up $19 or something today. we might be able to do it guys :f_biggrin:
    • Tinsley15
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      I heard that certain number of players droped down from like nl50 and nl25 to nl10 and even nl5 due this crisis that is active in some countries in Europe, and that $-Euro relation. Is that true i dunno.
    • gAsheks
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      Originally posted by Tinsley15
      I heard that certain number of players droped down from like nl50 and nl25 to nl10 and even nl5 due this crisis that is active in some countries in Europe, and that $-Euro relation. Is that true i dunno.
      Might be the case. I see some nicknames at nl10 nowadays which i remember from other stakes.

      Tomaloc, spews gone wrong!

      You should donate me some money, so i can spew more :D
    • Tomaloc
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      Originally posted by Tinsley15
      I heard that certain number of players droped down from like nl50 and nl25 to nl10 and even nl5 due this crisis that is active in some countries in Europe, and that $-Euro relation. Is that true i dunno.
      yeah players have certainly dropped down, but i thought the reason was that they were just bad :f_biggrin:
      i definitely see that a lot of players that i played nl25 with and thought that were "not so good" moved back down to 10, and in my hand reviews my coach has spotted lots of players who used to play nl200 and nl100 now playing nl50 and some even as low as nl25.

      it's like "they" say, if you don't keep working on your game you will be pushed down

      Originally posted by gAsheks
      Might be the case. I see some nicknames at nl10 nowadays which i remember from other stakes.

      Tomaloc, spews gone wrong!

      You should donate me some money, so i can spew more :D
      oh man, is that nl10? if so i think we can just seal the case and confirm that nl10 is indeed impossible to beat. try moving up to nl50, the games are softer there
    • Owl64
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      @NL50 They Respect Your Raises, lol.

      Looking at this thread i cant decide is it troll to attract fishes or is it real deal.
    • Tomaloc
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      both

      results are true, but try to figure what is sarcasm and what is real :D
    • gAsheks
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      Yes, its nl10. Jockerstars showed some nightmare yesterday :f_biggrin:
    • mattyvx
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      i am the game, beating 25nl but I tried playing 2nl to show a friend how to play and got owned - #micros aren't beatable :D
    • Tomaloc
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      oh man, i think we might be on to something here guys.
      so, behold, my conspiracy theory: only microlimits are rigged!

      look at how this makes perfect sense: new players often play micros. if they lose, they won't enjoy it, so it's good to give them a little help going forward. :f_biggrin:
      and no "pro" gives a fuck about micros. so when the pros check their database for statistical anomalies on their own limits everything looks normal, but what about micros? when the pros ask the riggedites for evidence, who has a large enough microlimits database and knows how to do that stuff? yeah guys, it's all a big coverup.

      fuck this, we all always knew it, THEY were right! illuminati confirmed imo
      actually, i won some more money in z10 today. maybe the illuminati are on to me now so they want to buy my silence
    • asimos
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      I can't beat 2nl rush guys, but at least my red line is flat :f_thumbsup:

    • mattyvx
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      +ve redline @ 2nl :roto2:
    • rompas
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      Originally posted by Tomaloc
      oh man, i think we might be on to something here guys.
      so, behold, my conspiracy theory: only microlimits are rigged!

      look at how this makes perfect sense: new players often play micros. if they lose, they won't enjoy it, so it's good to give them a little help going forward. :f_biggrin:
      and no "pro" gives a fuck about micros. so when the pros check their database for statistical anomalies on their own limits everything looks normal, but what about micros? when the pros ask the riggedites for evidence, who has a large enough microlimits database and knows how to do that stuff? yeah guys, it's all a big coverup.

      fuck this, we all always knew it, THEY were right! illuminati confirmed imo
      actually, i won some more money in z10 today. maybe the illuminati are on to me now so they want to buy my silence
      oh this will end up as another poker is rigged thread :f_wink:
    • Tomaloc
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      Originally posted by asimos
      I can't beat 2nl rush guys, but at least my red line is flat :f_thumbsup:
      if the red line is flat, then there's no problem. right guys?

      had a fairly good day at nl50 today so there were no fucks left to give to nl10. that means no update, sorry.
      i would also like to thank the kind soul that upvoted my hand reviews post, just noticed that :)