Conservative Tankroll BRM

    • bigdog63
      bigdog63
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      Having found back from tilt and other issues, I have decided to join the party with a slightly more conservative BRM than tankroll.

      Defence line = NL5 (0-100€) 0 – 20 stacks
      NL10 100-300€ 10 – 30 stacks
      NL25 300-600€ 12 – 24 stacks
      NL50 600-1000 12 – 20 stack

      Drop back when getting 30BB below minimum bankroll.

      The goal is to reach 1500€ by the end of the year.

      I will use the “value check” tool to help me control my sessions (time and win/losses).
      I will play 4 tables regular speed or 2 speed tables at most.

      Every hour:
      - Take 5 minutes break (go to the bathroom)
      - Take a quick review (with notes) on own level of play
      - Exception: soft table with huge whale

      Lets go:
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    • Lazza61
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      Hey bigdog63,

      Welcome to the 'Get Rich or Die Tryin' bankroll challenge. we will be looking forward to your first update which you should post by Monday of each week in Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge - Reporting thread.

      Have fun :gl:

      Laz
    • bigdog63
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      OK, first week over.
      Started very strong than fell back due to poor play and variance.
      Had some issues with overplaying mediocre hands.
      Had to drop back into by line of defence at NL5
      Overall played:

      Hands: 4400 (3000 NL10 + 1400 NL5)
      Profit:-67,38
      Bankroll: 82,64€ + +38,82 @ PKR

      I have opened a new account at PKR and made a min deposit of 10€.
      In ran tournament tickets and cash games into a profit of +38,82.
      If I'd count that toward my bankroll, I would still be allowed to play NL10 at may standard site. However, I will not do that before I cash out at PKR, therefore I will count that separtately.
    • T3rMiT3
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      Hello!
      Good luck with your challenge!
      What is that "value check" tool? :)
    • bigdog63
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      Value Check is a timer + loss/win tool which alerts certain values are reached.
      like "Tiltbreaker" but for free.
      see thread in 2+2 Forum
    • bigdog63
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      Week 2:

      On Pokerstars:
      started again pretty hot and fell back again. Got into gambling mode, feeling really strong and got punished.

      On PKR:
      PLaying without a HUD is actually nice. forces to be more concentrated. Still it would be nice to get the hands at least into PT4 for review. Does anybody know how to do that?

      Anyhow, played quite good and made a nice profit. I cashed out some (48USD) to recover my initial deposit of 10 EUR. This means that 32 EUR count towards my total bankroll.

      Overall, I have a slight + after 2 weeks. This week I am on vacation with family playing only very little. so volume will be really down.

      Summary

      Hands: 3022 (NL5) + ??? @ PKR - if anybody knows how to get the hands into PT4 please let me know
      Profit: 42.85 EUR = PS 1.10 EUR @ PS + 41.75 EUR @ PKR
      Bankroll: 159.85 EUR = 83.74 EUR @ PS + 50.00 @ PKR + 36 EUR cashout
    • SvenBe
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      Howdy, I asked around but unfortunately the guys playing on PKR had Holdem Manager 2 instead.
      however, you should also get a reply in our PT4 forum: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/board.php?boardid=1647

      have a nice day,SvenBe!
    • bigdog63
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      thanks, will try that
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    • bigdog63
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      Week 3:

      The week was not really good.
      NL10 was steadily losing money.
      Looks like I was not able to put in really concentrated play. Probably I should not have played at all, given the circumstances.
      Played a lot (spare time during vacation) but obviously at too many tables

      I was lucky enough though to cash in a MTT using a bonus ticket, so that I still have a positive weekly result.

      Plan for coming week:

      - play only when undistracted
      - when distractions start, whatever they may be, STOP (unless huge whale at the table). But eben then consider stopping
      - take more frequent breaks for checking stat of mind and play level (every 30 min)
      - 3 tables max
      - do not look at chashier

      Summary

      Hands: 8587 (4564 @ NL5 + 4023 @ NL10) + ??? @ PKR
      Profit: 12.51 EUR = PS -31.74 EUR @ PS + 44.25 EUR @ PKR
      Bankroll: 172.35 EUR = 52.00 EUR @ PS + 100.17 USD @ PKR + 36 EUR cashout
    • bigdog63
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      Originally posted by bigdog63
      Week 4:

      The good news is that I did some DB analysis to identify my most expensive leaks.
      The first bad news is that I found that I might be quite some calling station on the R.
      I have about 40% call R % and only about 45% win % when calling.
      I either overplay mediocre hands before, becoming pot committed, or just not folding when I should.

      Below are a couple of examples.

      Weekly summary:
      This was the first losing week out of three, so no need to worry. However the loss would have been much bigger, but for a 3-way suck-out, for almost 300BB.
      A quite interesting fact is the following:
      At PS I played a total of 18 sessions.
      Session length > 60 min: 4 sessions total, 3 losing, total profit = -390BB
      Session length < 60min: 14 sessions total, 4 losing, total profit = +350BB
      The long sessions were also mostly > 3 multi-tabling, with TV and alcohol.


      Summary

      Hands: 3340 (@ NL10) + ??? @ PKR
      Profit: -17.92 EUR = PS -16.00 EUR @ PS + -1.92 EUR @ PKR
      Bankroll: 154.58 EUR = 36.00 EUR @ PS + 98.00 USD @ PKR + 36 EUR cashout


      Hand #1: ‚I think play until river was OK. Calling R was an error. Rangewise I am slightly ahead, if we start with w34z3l’s ranges. Villain is played passive so far, like drawing to something or having flopped trips, therefore should his bet be respected

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO: $13.12 (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 16.40, 3Bet Preflop: 8.24, Hands: 260)
      BTN: $34.86 (VPIP: 28.42, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 98)
      Hero (SB): $12.13
      BB: $2.06 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      UTG: $7.85 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      MP: $8.95 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:diamond: Q:spade:

      fold, MP raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.30, fold, MP calls $1.00, fold

      Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) 9:heart: Q:club: 7:heart:
      Hero bets $1.43, MP calls $1.43

      Turn: ($5.86, 2 players) J:diamond:
      Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

      River: ($8.66, 2 players) 6:spade:
      Hero checks, MP bets $4.82 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.82

      MP shows K:club: T:club: (Straight, King High)
      (Pre 42%, Flop 33%, Turn 100%)
      Hero mucks A:diamond: Q:spade: (One Pair, Queens)
      (Pre 58%, Flop 67%, Turn 0%)
      MP wins $17.48


      Hand #2: another one where R fold is mandatory. On the other hand I should have shoved the flop

      PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO: €12.10 (VPIP: 21.54, PFR: 21.54, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 66)
      Hero (BTN): €11.25
      SB: €10.37 (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 17.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 248)
      BB: €8.78 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
      UTG: €10.90 (VPIP: 19.19, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 204)
      MP: €9.31 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

      SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has A:club: A:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to €0.20, SB calls €0.15, fold

      Flop: (€0.50, 2 players) J:club: K:diamond: 7:club:
      SB bets €0.33, Hero raises to €0.90, SB raises to €2.60, Hero raises to €5.80, SB calls €3.20

      Turn: (€12.10, 2 players) 8:club:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: (€12.10, 2 players) 6:spade:
      SB bets €4.37 and is all-in, Hero calls €4.37

      SB shows 6:club: 9:club: (Flush, Jack High)
      (Pre 19%, Flop 33%, Turn 89%)
      Hero mucks A:club: A:heart: (One Pair, Aces)
      (Pre 81%, Flop 67%, Turn 11%)
      SB wins €19.90
    • bigdog63
      bigdog63
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      Joined: 24.10.2011 Posts: 179
      Week 5:

      Another so and so week, at least at Pokerstars.
      It appears that PKR is much softer, however as I cannot get the hands into PT4 I have cashed out my roll and use it PS.

      Gamewise, I played better that the week before. I spewed less and called less out of frustration when R hit a passive drawing player or when they turned aggro all of a sudden.

      Summary

      Hands: 1600 (@ NL10) + ??? @ PKR
      Profit: -10.19 EUR
      Bankroll: 144.40 EUR = 4.00 EUR @ PS + 0.0 USD @ PKR + 140.40 EUR cashout ( to be reinvested @PS)
    • bigdog63
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      Week 6:

      First week which is worth mentioning on Stars. Moved some of my chased out roll to Pokerstars and concentrated on playing there.
      However it becomes more and more obvious that playing long sessions (longer than 30-45 Min) is really hurting my win rate.
      Look at the graph below:



      The blue arrow indicates Friday night.
      Until then I have been playing mainly short sessions at few tables in an undistracted environment. From Friday night on, mainly playing at home with family around, beer and TV.

      Anyhow overall made some progress.



      Summary

      Hands: 4396 (@ NL10)
      Profit: +36.80 EUR
      Bankroll: 182.97 EUR = 76.80 EUR @ PS + 106.17 EUR cash)
    • SvenBe
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      Haha, that reminds me of many beer-sessions i had on NL2. I think it is great fun to chase the bad players there when being a bit more deep :-)
      Any interesting hands during that play?

      CU,SvenBe
    • bigdog63
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      yeah, maybe I should do that, drop down in stakes, when I feel like gambling.

      Actually, I sometimes play some MT SnG's, like 45-180's. I may not win there, but I certainyl do better than losing 400BB at NL10 like I did this weekend.

      BTW, there were no really interesting hands in this strech.
      maybe these ones, where I think I made good folds. Which given that I have a tendency to call out of frustration, although I think I am beaten, is a good thing.

      PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: €5.55 (VPIP: 72.22, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
      SB: €10.00 (VPIP: 28.17, PFR: 24.65, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 145)
      BB: €10.17 (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.33, Hands: 203)
      UTG: €17.33 (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
      MP: €10.40 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
      Hero (CO): €10.61

      SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

      UTG calls €0.10, MP raises to €0.30, Hero raises to €1.15, BTN calls €1.15, fold, fold, UTG calls €1.05, MP calls €0.85

      Flop: (€4.75, 4 players) 6:heart: 6:spade: A:spade:
      UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets €2.27, fold, fold, MP raises to €4.54, fold

      MP wins €8.87

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG: $11.09 (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 105)
      CO: $12.89 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 26.47, 3Bet Preflop: 19.44, Hands: 105)
      BTN: $7.75 (VPIP: 51.65, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 96)
      Hero (SB): $10.66
      BB: $10.32 (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 23.44, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 65)

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q:club: A:club:

      fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BTN calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) 7:diamond: 4:diamond: A:diamond:
      Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5.10, 2 players) K:diamond:
      Hero bets $2.43, BTN raises to $5.25 and is all-in, fold

      BTN wins $9.51


      This is an example, where I should have folded against this quite passive villain?

      PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (MP): €10.00
      CO: €9.63 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 4.88, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 131)
      BTN: €10.15 (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 40)
      SB: €10.41 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      BB: €11.92 (VPIP: 23.14, PFR: 10.04, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 232)
      UTG: €17.00 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 14)

      SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has J:heart: Q:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to €0.30, CO calls €0.30, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: (€0.75, 2 players) J:spade: 7:heart: T:club:
      Hero bets €0.36, CO calls €0.36

      Turn: (€1.47, 2 players) 8:diamond:
      Hero bets €0.70, CO calls €0.70

      River: (€2.87, 2 players) 9:diamond:
      Hero bets €1.37, CO raises to €8.27 and is all-in, Hero calls €6.90

      CO shows K:diamond: Q:club: (Straight, King High)
      (Pre 69%, Flop 39%, Turn 25%)
      Hero mucks J:heart: Q:heart: (Straight, Queen High)
      (Pre 31%, Flop 61%, Turn 75%)
      CO wins €18.54
    • bigdog63
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      Week 7:

      Had a good week. It is great to be on the right side of variance.

      Concentrated on playing shorter sessions (less than 90 min).
      When I felt like gambling played some SnG's and also played some NL5 on Full Tilt.
      Was lucjy to get some of my favorite whales at my table.

      I also studied some of w34z3l's more recent videos. I like them a lot. With my new Gold status I was able to access some new content.

      Plan for coming week
      keep playing like this: controlled, maximum of 3 tables
      find good spots to fight a little bit more post-flop

      mark interesting hands for review


      Summary

      Hands: 4645 (all NL10, except 465 hands at FTP playing @ NL5)
      Profit: +41.23 EUR
      Bankroll: 224.19 EUR = 118.02 EUR @ PS+FTP + 106.17 EUR cash)[/quote]
    • SvenBe
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      Originally posted by bigdog63
      PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: €5.55 (VPIP: 72.22, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
      SB: €10.00 (VPIP: 28.17, PFR: 24.65, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 145)
      BB: €10.17 (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.33, Hands: 203)
      UTG: €17.33 (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
      MP: €10.40 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
      Hero (CO): €10.61

      SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

      UTG calls €0.10, MP raises to €0.30, Hero raises to €1.15, BTN calls €1.15, fold, fold, UTG calls €1.05, MP calls €0.85

      Flop: (€4.75, 4 players) 6:heart: 6:spade: A:spade:
      UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets €2.27, fold, fold, MP raises to €4.54, fold

      MP wins €8.87

      Against 3 callers, I think a cbet with QQ here is suicide. Of course they call many Pockets, but AQ,AK,Axs is part of all three ranges!
    • bigdog63
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      thanks I agree. The good news is that 3-4 weeks ago I might have probably called the flop raise
    • bigdog63
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      Week 8:

      Another awsome week. Combination of running good and being lucky + rakeback and of course excellent play (LOL) let me pad my bankroll.
      Actually crossed the threshold to NL25 by 1$. So I played two sessions already there finishing ahead.

      Plan for last week
      keep playing like this: controlled, maximum of 3 tables = success
      find good spots to fight a little bit more post-flop = success

      mark interesting hands for review = failed

      plan for coming week
      continue controlled agressive play
      work on cbetting



      Summary

      Hands: 5442 (all NL10, except 371 @ NL25)
      Profit: +100.97 EUR
      Bankroll: 325.17 EUR = 219.00 EUR @ PS + 106.17 EUR cash)
    • bigdog63
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      Week 9:

      Gave it all back, almost.
      My excursion to NL25 was quite short. after losing 3 BI in quick succession I had to drop back to NL10.
      I did not feel bad about that, but on the other hand I had the feeling that NL25 is significantly tougher.
      Number of UK and Belgian fish is much lower. Playing OOP is almost impossible. Overall I felt very uneasy.
      Back at NL10 I made the mistake to attempt to take advantage of fish in a much more aggro way. To vent off my frustration from NL25 at them. Anyhow, after dropping some BI I sabilized myself again.

      plan for last week
      continue controlled agressive play - failed
      work on cbetting - semi-failed

      The plan for this week is to :
      - concentrate on position
      - more agro IP and a bit more patient OOP
      - manage pot size better in relatzion to position, opponent and actual hand strength


      Summary

      Hands: 4337 (all NL10, except ~1000 @ NL25)
      Profit: -48.25 EUR
      Bankroll: 276.92 EUR = 125.36 EUR @ PS + 171.29 USD @ 888)
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