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[NL2-NL10] JJ lay down?

    • mikelstwe
      Joined: 29.08.2008 Posts: 156
      Known players:

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with J:club: , J:heart:
      Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.70, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.70 (All-In), MP3 calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($3.55) K:spade: , 5:club: , 4:heart:
      Turn: ($3.55) 3:club:
      River: ($3.55) 7:spade: (2 players)

      Final Pot: $3.55

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of jacks (Jc Jh)
      MP3 shows a pair of aces (Ah Ad)

      MP3 wins with a pair of aces (Ah Ad)

      Since I raised from UTG and the villian's PFR is only 8, should I consider laying down this hand? I'm speaking in terms of beyond basic SSS play, specifically when bigstacks readjust their play against known SSS players.
  • 6 replies
    • johnbeattie85
      Joined: 11.09.2008 Posts: 716
      If MP3 has you as a short stack, he should only be raising with KK+.

      JJ is 18.6% vs that range. You need around 36% to make the call with the pot odds. Fold. If MP3 is playing as per his stats then its an easy push. So it just depends on your read of the player I guess, whether he's liable to adjust his ranges against you etc.
    • burek2000
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,107
      Based on his stats only you have an easy push, however if he really plays as he should vs a shorty then he raises KK+ only and you should fold...

      ...but when I see him making a minraise I would definatly not put him on a range of a thinking player who knows a lot about poker, so I would push.
    • TheBrood
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      with over 1K hands played against you he is a regular and he prob uses software. So he knows you are a SSS.

      Why I fold here:
      - He doesnt raise much.
      - He knows you have a good hand.
      - BSS only minraises with KK+ against a SSS, maybe a shove would indicate QQ...
      - JJ sucks.
    • Fongie
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      Hmm I'd probably find a fold here aswell but it's close, I'm interested in seeing what Ingol says about it ;)
    • Gerv
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,683
      Hi mikelstwe,

      NL10 + NL25 is sticking to basic SSS + some basic enhancements, no need to rely on stats here because people often play more randomly on NL10 than on NL1k for example.

      Therefore just shove this JJ on a Reraise.
      As an addition, I will push AKo+,JJ+ if I had stats on him

      Best regards,

    • mikelstwe
      Joined: 29.08.2008 Posts: 156
      Thank you everyone for all your advice! ;)