[NL2-NL10] NL10 J6s flush draw, implied?

    • Jaime001254
      Jaime001254
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      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 366
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $8.35
      Hero:
      $2.00
      MP1:
      $11.30

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J:spade: , 6:spade:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 4 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0.30) A:spade: , T:club: , 8:spade: (3 players)
      SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, MP1 folds.

      Turn: ($0.70) Q:spade: (2 players)
      SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.70 (All-In), SB calls $1.20.

      River: ($4.10) A:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $4.10

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows color, as alta (Js 6s)
      SB shows color, as alta (3s Ts)

      Hero wins with color, as alta (Js 6s)


      is this an EV+call (implied odds)???
  • 6 replies
    • mikelstwe
      mikelstwe
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      Somehow I don't think you can call here, your implied odds don't seem that big imo. But I guess I could be wrong...
    • Jaime001254
      Jaime001254
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      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 366
      yeah, for me it was a very marginal call, but i thought ... if i hit, maybe i can, at least, win one more bet (~0.50) so it was 0.2 to a 0.7 (direct) and maybe a 0.2 to 1.2 odds (if he bets turn). if i count him calling my stack odds are pretty good.

      sample size is short but with AF of 0.7 i thought "if he bets here, he has a made hand", and also his WTS encouraged me to call...

      anyway, i got lucky :D 2 of my outs were dead but... HOW THE HELL?? T3s???
      thank you for your comment
    • Fongie
      Fongie
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      You can't play anything less than a 12+ outer in a freeplay using SSS. A flushdraw is 9 outs, therefor you play check/fold. If you had a clean gutshot or an OESD to go with your flushdraw, you could bet it like a made hand.

      So: c/f

      (Please correct me if Im wrong and its actually 15 outs needed, but I believe it's 12)

      Oh and don't post results, we couldn't care less :tongue:
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      About freeplay draws, I know this with every draw that has 13+ outs you want to go all-in on the flop and you play it as a made hand. Other draws you should play passively if you get good odds.

      As played, I might find a call here as well, because we are in position and sometimes he's just trying to steal the pot and will check the turn, so you will sometimes get additional freecard on the turn for invested money on the flop and with implied odds I think it's a EV+ call.

      Besides, building a pot a little in case we hit our draw doesn't hurt as well. :)
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
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      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      Interesting hand. If we double up like 1 in ten times we're good I think to call here?
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hello Jaime001254,

      Interesting hand concerning implieds, if you hit the Turn you spike it otherwise you fold.

      I substract 1 out for the J high flush but I found this 2/3 minibet on the Flop rather weak so I will just call for the sake of implieds (if he bets 2/3 again on the Turn, its +EV with 8 outs to call)

      Then if you spike on the Turn, you raise his bet to a shove,
      If you missed then muck it on the Turn


      - Gerv