[NL20-NL50] NL 25 SH - Monster draw

    • NymXXL
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      Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Hero (UTG) ($43.03)
      BB ($25.25)
      MP ($43)
      SB ($25.12)
      Button ($24.57) VPIP 15, PFR 9, WTSD 29, Total AF 1,67

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
      Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds

      Flop: ($2.37) Q, J, 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.50, Button raises to $5, Hero raises to $42.03 (All-In), Button calls $18.57 (All-In)

      Turn: ($49.51) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: ($49.51) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $49.51 | Rake: $2.45

      Results:
      Button had 10, 9 (straight, King high).
      Hero had A, J (one pair, Jacks).
      Outcome: Button won $47.06
  • 10 replies
    • Diedobal
      Diedobal
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      NH, no other way to play this. You have to shove flop to maximize your outs + create some fold equity.
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by Diedobal
      NH, no other way to play this. You have to shove flop to maximize your outs + create some fold equity.
      depends on oponent in this case if you get raised by a nitt..who knows, Kaitz?
    • TribunCaesar
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      nh! You have equity against all kinda hands.


      Best regards,
      TribunCaesar
    • NRGBlaze
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      I wouldn't shove a flop like this. If you get called, then you're in big trouble (he wouldn't call a 3-bet shove with anything less than 2 pairs).
      and you have only a flushdraw to count on. (not a monster draw)
      I would just call his raise and see the turn - if you complete your flush - go ahead shove, but otherwise I dont think its worth it
    • TribunCaesar
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      Meh, we have outs for 2 pair and trips and we dominate other draws, that's def. good enough.
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by TribunCaesar
      Meh, we have outs for 2 pair and trips and we dominate other draws, that's def. good enough.
      You're right, but we face a monster NITT (remember its SH and he has stats 15/9) with AF 1,67! so basicly we get raised ONLY if he has set (88,maybe JJ) or 2 pair (QJ), he would play draw passively.

      I think that with this special opponent is better to call the flop and fold to 3/4 pot bet on turn
    • NRGBlaze
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      Originally posted by Talic
      Originally posted by TribunCaesar
      Meh, we have outs for 2 pair and trips and we dominate other draws, that's def. good enough.
      You're right, but we face a monster NITT (remember its SH and he has stats 15/9) with AF 1,67! so basicly we get raised ONLY if he has set (88,maybe JJ) or 2 pair (QJ), he would play draw passively.

      I think that with this special opponent is better to call the flop and fold to 3/4 pot bet on turn
      my opinion exactly
      so even with these outs for two pair and trips we're prob losing
      so we got only our flushdraw to count on
    • Escientist
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      nh
    • TribunCaesar
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      I still disagree.

      Here we have a rather tight range:

      Board: Qd Jh 8d
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 42.773% 42.28% 00.49% 16326 188.50 { AdJd }
      Hand 1: 57.227% 56.74% 00.49% 21907 188.50 { JJ, 88, AQs, KdTd, QJs, J8s, T9s, 9d7d, AQo, QJo, T9o }

      Against this range it's better to go broke on the flop then to just call. We are OOP vs this guy and we won't get paid out if we hit the flush if we play it passively.

      Best regards,
      TribunCaesar
    • cindy1985
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      I agree with Tribun. If he is a nitt, IMO it makes no sense to flat call his raise since he will probably fold to any action if the flush card hit. You either go broke on the flop or fold to the raise.