Idea: 'beginners coachings' that only members with <10K lifetime SPs can enter

    • tonypmm
      tonypmm
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      You know, iPoker has 'beginners tables' at low stakes that are restricted to those who has signed up to the room less than 3 months ago (it's exploitable because one can just switch rooms on the network every 3 months, but let's ignore it). FTP also has 'new to the game' tables that a player can enter only until s/he has played 2K hands or 75 tournaments.

      The reason why I think a similar restriction might be useful at Pokerstrategy is that players with different experience require different complexity of discussions and sometimes it's not possible in basic-level coachings that are visited not only by beginners, e.g. Collin Moshman's current series.

      Speaking of my own behaviour, I'm being told I shouldn't visit them but, as they're the only chance to chat with the legend for free (except occasional Skype convos that I shouldn't abuse), I can't resist the temptation to visit and then end up criticising your crude 'beginner strategies' and asking questions that are beyond the scope of beginners. I think any other experienced member can have similar urges. And poor Collin is getting tired of explaining the differences between what near-optimal plays he actually makes in games (and we should make too if we play $5s+) and what the 'beginner strategy' tells to do.

      I don't think a time restriction (say, <3 months upon signing up to PS-gy) for entrants would work well because there are lurkers like me (I earned the first SP over 4 years after signing up here and made the first post here 3 months even later). But the lifetime SP criterion sounds plausible because anyone who has raked that much without going bust and losing interest to the game likely plays and thinks significantly better than a 'beginner' and won't be interested in such coachings (because they'll contain no advanced discussions) and the restriction normally won't stop them from raking under you if you fear that.
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    • SvenBe
      SvenBe
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      Hey Tony,

      we are very lucky that we have such enthusiastic members that visit coachings that are not even in their main learning focus.
      I am well aware of the issue with the audience level of play, especially for Collin - we discussed how to approach this several times and agreed that we will always have both newbies and experienced members in.

      In the end we are a learning community where not only coaches help members but also members do help members (see our blogs, see our hand discussions - but also in the participation in coachings). If this comes for the price of having some discussion about how much our strategy is GTO - so be it. But preventing someone with 20k SP+ to come to a coaching sounds demotivating to me - I simply do not want to segregate total beginners from the experienced folks.
      I see where you are coming from, but even in Collins case .... it is just a no from my side (even knowing that for single users like you the segregation would make sense)

      CU & thx for dropping by,Sven
    • bacibaci123
      bacibaci123
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      :f_drink:
    • 8runo
      8runo
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      Could I follow this up a bit?

      The beginner strategies could be presented with equal value to beginners by almost anyone - does it not make more sense to make better use of Collin Moshmans [and the other experienced coaches] experience and talents by asking him to do things that could not be done by less skilled people, and where he can really add value onto other players?
    • tonypmm
      tonypmm
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      With all respect, Collin is a relative beginner at Spins himself. What matter is that he's able to present any material well. Looking at those who host the same courses in other languages, I suspect that some of them haven't played even a thousand $15+ Spins lifetime, and the English community is yet running good in this respect.

      If the English community found it necessary to hire a Spin specialist to hold coachings, it would have summoned BIRJAAN from the Spanish community (an Argentine reg of the $60s, afaik) long ago. The thing is that he'd probably request too big a salary for this, rightfully so. Plus Pokerstrategy is way too strict (imo) about not letting its coaches work elsewhere, and it's well-known that he's coaching for a rival school.
    • 8runo
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      Collin is a heads up specialist isn't he? I trust that experience holds him in good stead in the Spins and, being entirely selfish, I'm sure he could add tons of value to my game.

      But whether its spins or something else, Collin is a high profile name that I would guess doesn't come cheap to Pokerstrategy - I cannot imagine that presenting the basic strategy to beginners gives pokerstrategy the best value on their investment (but I obviously know nothing of Pokerstrategys business plan or finances).
    • 4s4s4s
      4s4s4s
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      Joined: 12.09.2014 Posts: 225
      Ya. It's good idea. :)