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2NL: good winrates by position

    • gabl136
      gabl136
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      Hello!

      I'm a beginner player. I've played 55k hands in the last two months playing 6+ tables with a winrate of 10BB/100+.

      What I'm wondering is what are good winrate stats by position. I think 20bb/100 is possible overall, so i'm not yet satisfied, and stats by position would tell me where i need to improve. Specifically, I'm losing so much on the blinds i'm embarrassed to say. Also, I lose a good chunk of what I win from the fish to good regs in all positions.

      If there is someone with a big enough sample size and a good / crushing winrate please post a screenshot, that would help me alot.
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    • la55i
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      I would say following positional stats are normal but I'm not 100% sure:

      SB -20
      BB -30
      EP 10
      MP 20
      CO 20
      BTN 40

      I have 90k hand sample with ok winrate. My stats are:

      SB -30
      BB -35
      EP 5
      MP 15
      CO 18
      BTN 42

      I have some problems with my blind play but I'm trying to fix it now. But I have understood that -20 - -40 is close to normal from the blinds.
    • gabl136
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      what is your overall winrate?
    • Aerox232
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      10bb/100 is very good winrate.
      in Nl10 and above everything 3bb+/100 is good!
    • la55i
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      My current winrate is 3bb/100. Last 10k hands I have played with 10bb/100 but that is pretty small sample. Sustaining over 10bb/100 winrate over 100k hands is pretty hard imo, even at NL2. As Aerox said, 10bb/100 is very good and at higher limits even 3bb/100 is considered good. Positional winrates should be around those I posted above. Blinds are normally negative around 20-30, other positions should be positive and button should be clearly most profitable somewhere over 30 i guess. What are your positional stats?
    • JCSeerup
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      This is my wr for this month playing 2NL and 5NL, could prolly do a little better from the button, but aside from that I feel this is a pretty good wr.

    • Aerox232
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      as far as I know biggest winner in Nl2 is BlackRain69 whit 14bb/100 over 2.5millions of hand. And i doubt that that there is some other player in NL2 that is better than him.
    • JCSeerup
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      Originally posted by Aerox232
      as far as I know biggest winner in Nl2 is BlackRain69 whit 14bb/100 over 2.5millions of hand. And i doubt that that there is some other player in NL2 that is better than him.
      Is there an updated list of the best NL2 players to be found somewhere?
    • gabl136
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      I know, i've read his book :) It would sure be nice to see his positional stats. Does anyone know where i could contact him?
    • Aerox232
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      Originally posted by gabl136
      I know, i've read his book :) It would sure be nice to see his positional stats. Does anyone know where i could contact him?
      i used to cantact whit him via Twitter pm!
    • Volrath89
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      I have 100k hands with a WR of over 10bb: (that was September, October and a few days of November 2015)

      It's NL5, though.

      (and btw i think in nl2 is perfectly possible to win 20bb/100... 15bb/100 is possible in Nl5, 10bb/10 for Nl10, 8 for NL25, and so on... does anyone want to prop bet? :P )
    • JCSeerup
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      I'll bet neither 20bb/100 at NL2 nor 15bb/100 at NL5 is possible for a micro reg.
    • la55i
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      Originally posted by JCSeerup
      I'll bet neither 20bb/100 at NL2 nor 15bb/100 at NL5 is possible for a micro reg.
      Agree. I also think there is not so big a skill gap between NL2 and NL5 it would be 5bb/100 less in NL5. There is a challenge for you :) BTW: I admire your SB winrate :f_thumbsup:
    • Mandator
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      I win over 14bb/100 in a 150k hands sample on NL2.... 20 tabling, so I think that is possible to win 20bb/100 on NL2 if you play less tables
    • JCSeerup
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      I'm ready to bet against it!
    • Aerox232
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      There are huge gap between nl2 and nl5.
    • Aerox232
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      yep. im ready to bet too against 20bb/100 on 100k sample!
    • la55i
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      Originally posted by Aerox232
      There are huge gap between nl2 and nl5.
      Really? Huge? Imo there is a bigger gap between NL5 and NL10.
    • Volrath89
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      Originally posted by Aerox232
      yep. im ready to bet too against 20bb/100 on 100k sample!
      Oh well, I'd do it if the prop bet is interesting enough to spend that much time playing NL2
    • Aerox232
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      Originally posted by Volrath89
      Originally posted by Aerox232
      yep. im ready to bet too against 20bb/100 on 100k sample!
      Oh well, I'd do it if the prop bet is interesting enough to spend that much time playing NL2
      1k$
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