[NL2-NL10] NL100 SSS: JJ preflop fold?

    • Termi8r
      Termi8r
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      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $18.00
      BU:
      $98.50

      0.5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J:diamond: , J:club:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $4.00, 2 folds, BU raises to $14.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18.00 (All-In), BU calls $4.00.

      Flop: ($37.50) 3:heart: , 5:heart: , 3:diamond:
      Turn: ($37.50) 8:diamond:
      River: ($37.50) K:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $37.50
  • 13 replies
    • Gerv
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      Hello Johan :)

      [18+4+1.5]x0.95 :: 14
      22.325:14
      =
      38.5% required

      against JJ+,AK+ its an easy fold due the 2.5% difference, however against like AK+,TT+ this is an easy shove.

      I would personally shove since his PFR on Late Position should be way bigger than 8 and therefore you are profitable in the long run

      best regards,
      Gerv
    • Termi8r
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      I have the advantage of after sight... he was reacting to a raise from early postion and reraised me, so I think his range would be smaller than 8%.

      Obviously he turned over AA ;)
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Originally posted by Termi8r
      I have the advantage of after sight... he was reacting to a raise from early postion and reraised me, so I think his range would be smaller than 8%.
      A 3-bet range is always smaller then a PFR but the lower the PFR, the lower the 3-bet range. eg. a 3-bet range in general is much wider if Villain is playing 31/20 than if he would play 12/8

      When you post a hand from elephant we see the Mean PFR of Villain therefore we give Villain's PFR a boost of 50% to get some sort of estimation of his PFR on BTN/CO/SB/BB.


      - Gerv
    • Fongie
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      Hmm, still though, do people really 3bet SSS raises wider just because theyre in late position? I mean, against a full stack it makes sense since you're in position, but against a shortie it doesn't matter.

      Putting this so you can look at it again and answer my question :P
    • IngolPoker
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      I hope gerv doesnt mind me posting here :)

      Imo its close against such a tight guy....which hands do you raise here in MP? Because if you raise a lot of hands he will 3bet loser, if you are very tight, he will be tight
    • Termi8r
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      I'm extremely tight except from CO and BU, as well as the raise size seems it was begging for an all-in, betting only $4 less than my stack.

      Had a similar hand with QQ and tight 9/7 guy re-raised me about the same way, is it possible to fold QQ in such a situation? People with AK normally just reraise all in to take down the pot imo.
    • IngolPoker
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      You are tight
      He is a regular and knows you (you have 8500 hands from him, or are they mined?)
      He is very tight and 3bets your tight raise....dont think he has TT there EVER

      imo its a fold
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Originally posted by IngolPoker
      You are tight
      He is a regular and knows you (you have 8500 hands from him, or are they mined?)
      He is very tight and 3bets your tight raise....dont think he has TT there EVER

      imo its a fold
      Doesn't this depend more on your Table Image rather than the mined range?;

      I mean on one table I play like 21/20 because of fishes, isolations and stuff while on the other table I just play 9/8

      And I like to know as well if those hands are mined or played
    • Termi8r
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      They were given to me at a fair rate...I know it is illegal to mine at Stars :rolleyes:
    • DeKuip
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      I think he has QQ+, AK here, so definitely not enough equity and I think I'd fold.
      He's (probably) a (multitabling) regular and seems to be quite solid. He knows where you can raise with from that position.
      Besides that, what's his Stars-nickname?
    • Termi8r
      Termi8r
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      I lost it now in the Elephant because I wanted to look at his 3bet range as well. Is there anyway of getting the nickname of the player involved from the HH in elepant?

      EDIT: I got his nick now: Dufman79 his 2-bet form BU is 19% and the 3-bet is like 3%. Doesn't know what 2-bet means?
    • burek2000
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      2-bet is the first raise in a betting cycle.
    • DeKuip
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      Dufman79 is indeed a solid regular and hardly ever makes funky moves.
      So I stick to my QQ+, AK range :)