ROI - Return On Investement

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    • bkbart
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      i would say that is very good but attainable
    • viewer88
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      10-20% for microlimits, although you may be a way better player :D
    • Puciek
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      On micro (1-2$) you can climb to 40%+
      But after 3-4$ limit it breaks down to 10-20
    • iwanD
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      And what do you think it would be for Super Tubro Heads Up SNGs (blinds go up every minute)?
    • Puciek
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      similar to tossing [insert entrants number] dice.
    • viewer88
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      check out miskokvo's blog, he appears to get a decent ROI on them. I think something like 3% should be attainable on the microlimits (over a big samplesize).
    • Hlynkinn
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      you can be happy with any roi with two digits on the micro - low limits...

      On the higher limits It gets pretty tough maintaining an above 10% roi...
    • viewer88
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      o rly? :tongue:

      I aim for 12-15% at the 22$, not sure if it's gonna happen though :D
    • cannell555
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      Hi viewer88,

      25% on the $22's (normal speed) is sustainable. ;)

      regards,
      Stiev
    • viewer88
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      I don't know man, last time I checked I wasnt superman :P

      No really, I dont see it happening. Also I havent met another player (that I sharkscoped) who reached a 15%+ ROI on the 22$ STT's (relevant samplesize). Best players on the 11$ reached ~16%

      25% sounds WAY to high to be sustainable tbh.

      Edit: you play at 25%?
    • cannell555
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      My $22's is at 24%, but at the beginning I was making quite a few mistakes. On the $33's and above it dropped quite abit. But imo, the $33's and above is where you actually start to play proper poker.
    • MrPocketSevens
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      Wow this values are a surprise to me!! Thanks for all your replies :)
    • viewer88
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      Originally posted by cannell555
      My $22's is at 24%, but at the beginning I was making quite a few mistakes. On the $33's and above it dropped quite abit. But imo, the $33's and above is where you actually start to play proper poker.
      Nice! I'm impressed :)
    • gavinonymous
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      I see top players at under 10% ROI, some at 5%, but they are still winning average $9 a game - even though they are playing $200-400 buyins. At 10kgames a year that can add up significantly. Also the bonus points probably make it worth it.

      The stats on the leaderboards at the highest buyins are terrible, which tells me it's a numbers game only at that point.

      It makes me wonder if it's because they are playing turbo games and multitabling that they don't get good reads or cannot take as good advantage of the flow of the game - as someone playing regular speed and fewer tables.

      My ROI after 60 odd games at $3.40 (admit not much of a sample) is 44% - I'm on a tear though, and I think the limit is very fishy.

      If I move up to $5.50 games I expect it to come down to more like 30% and again down to 15% at $10.00 etc.. Which makes me wonder - why move up limits at all if your ROI rate suffers enough to give you same winrate at lower buyin :evil:
    • viewer88
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      I saw in some video that at the highest limits most players are happy when they play breakeven, and earn there money on vip programms /rakeback
    • Flows
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      @gavinonymous:
      Which makes me wonder - why move up limits at all if your ROI rate suffers enough to give you same winrate at lower buyin Teufel

      it's not all about the ROI. is it better (more profitable and more fun) to play one table with a roi of 15% or better to play 4 tables with a roi of 10%?
      your roi on the micros can never become that big that it is better to stay there and to not move up the limits.
      BUT there are a few players living from poker, playing 5,50$ turbos because for them it is easier.
      in general I would say 12% ROI on the 11$ SNGs results in more money than a 15% ROI on the 5.50$ SNGs.