endless downswing

    • brundoo
      brundoo
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2008 Posts: 57
      Hi there.
      I'm playing SSS NL25 multitabling 10 tables. I have never had downswing until a month ago.I even belived that I will never expirance one,(with SSS you play only when having edge)...boy was I wrong.
      So it all started a month ago and it's still nowhere near the end.I was just planing to move up to NL50 (430$ BR),as I was beating my limit easyly,and then it striked me.
      First couple days 20 BI down,then complete recovery,then 15 BI down again.over few day I recoverd again and then came DOWNSWING TSUNAMI!
      everyday sessions ending 5 BI down.day after day the same shit.SO now I'm down 40 BI.
      I don't know what to do??? I read the articles ,watched the videos and rewiewing my sessions.I even posted some hands in forum. I'm fucking gona explode if this goes on.don't know what the fuck is happening ? a month ago it was so easy and now I feel like complete loser!

      did anyone of you had so big and long downswing?
  • 8 replies
    • Jazek20
      Jazek20
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.12.2008 Posts: 10
      take time off ! go visit your grandparents and enjoy holidays. Dont think too much about poker.
    • Snodreliss
      Snodreliss
      Silver
      Joined: 23.12.2007 Posts: 1,280
      It happens to all.

      I didn't make any progress in 80k hands, just lost and played breakeven. But sooner or later you will win again as long as you keep playing good.
    • suvalgysiu
      suvalgysiu
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.06.2007 Posts: 307
      the same thing is happening to me, i have better days, but for the last month or two im just constantly losing. im almost always ahead against my opponents, but im down like HALF my BR :/

      i really feel like i'm getting rigged, because after my deposit, for the first 5 days i had the biggest upswing in my life, and now the nightmares are never ending. it's BS.
    • LuborC
      LuborC
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.04.2008 Posts: 1,243
      Hi guys!!

      Recently I also experienced my first real downswing. The thing is when it is your first one and you are not ready for it and don't realise what is happening it may well really be endless. Mine was 70 BIs long and if I wasn't just about to move up a limit it might have led to me going broke.

      My problem was that after losing the first couple of BIs my game changed. I didn't realise it at the time and since everybody said that I should go on playing and my luck would change eventually that's what I did. But it wasn't just bad luck anymore my game has changed for the worse. I had to pretty much start from scratch and learn everything again and only after I did that I was able to make some profit again.

      So my advice is simple. After you have lost so much don't just go on playing and hope to win everything back. The problem most likely isn't just bad luck any more. You have to analyse your game and actively look for your new downswing caused leaks. Read articles. Watch the hand analysis part of the forum. Post hands of your own and most importantly visit coachings and really think about what is being said there.

      I wish you the best of luck and hope I helped at least a little. And sorry for the long post. :D

      Lubor
    • Zheelvern
      Zheelvern
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.10.2007 Posts: 704
      Don't worry. After 100K or even more hands it will be fine. All of it. Your downs and ups. And you'll see how (if) good you are.
      Btw, I'm on my endless upswing now, lol. I really wish to be endless :D :D
    • brundoo
      brundoo
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2008 Posts: 57
      tnx guys for plesant replies. they realaxed my greatly :)

      So I looked again through my last 19k hands and decided to share a bit with you:

      AK vs JO - 2JT flop ,contibet OOP
      AK vs AA
      AK vs 57 -4 limpers me all in on BB

      99 vs AK -BB vs SB
      99 vs A4 -446 flop

      AQ vs AK - BU vs SB

      QQ vs AA
      QQ vs AK

      JJ vs QQ
      JJ vs AA -low flop ,slowplayed AA

      AA vs KK
      AA vs 88

      A8 vs 57 -886 flop

      AJc vs T8 -62c9 flop

      KK vs A3 - 4 AT flop,conti bet IP

      63 vs K3 - freeplay 433 flop

      and last (another 57o assassin):

      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $39.65
      MP1:
      $43.95
      CO:
      $8.95
      Hero:
      $5.15

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:spade: , A:diamond:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.40, BB folds, MP1 calls $1.25, CO folds.

      Flop: ($5.00) K:heart: , 5:club: , Q:spade: (3 players)
      SB checks, MP1 bets $2.75, Hero raises to $3.65 (All-In), SB folds, MP1 calls $0.90.

      Turn: ($12.30) 2:spade:
      River: ($12.30) 7:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $12.30

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of aces (As Ad)
      MP1 shows two pairs, sevens and fives (7h 5h)

      MP1 wins with two pairs, sevens and fives (7h 5h)


      this is just first lost 16 BI , to show you what the BS is happening to me!!!


      I love this game
    • brundoo
      brundoo
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2008 Posts: 57
      edit.

      yesterday I finaly ended one day in 30$+. boy I was happy like a baby.I thought it is finaly over.
      So guess what happend today.I'll post my hands here so that everyone can see this SHIT.
      I'm seriously thinking Stars are intended fuc... me till bankroupt.I just don't know when it will all end(oh yes I know ,after I lose all my money).
      this is fucking bullshit and F... this f...that Pokerstars are on Mission to fuck my brains and my bankroll.


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $5.00
      MP3:
      $26.40
      CO:
      $27.30

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:spade: , A:heart:
      4 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, MP3 calls $1.25, CO folds.

      Flop: ($3.35) 5:spade: , 9:diamond: , J:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.00, Hero raises to $3.50 (All-In), MP3 calls $2.50.

      Turn: ($10.35) 8:heart:
      River: ($10.35) Q:club: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $10.35

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of aces (As Ah)
      MP3 shows two pairs, queens and jacks (Qh Jd)

      MP3 wins with two pairs, queens and jacks (Qh Jd)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $9.15
      MP3:
      $15.05
      Hero:
      $4.65

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:club: , A:heart:
      UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.25, MP3 calls $1.25.

      Flop: ($4.85) 9:spade: , 6:spade: , 5:diamond: (3 players)
      MP1 checks, MP3 bets $0.75, Hero raises to $3.15 (All-In), MP1 folds, MP3 calls $2.40.

      Turn: ($11.15) T:heart:
      River: ($11.15) Q:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $11.15

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of aces (Ac Ah)
      MP3 shows three of a kind, tens (Tc Td)

      MP3 wins with three of a kind, tens (Tc Td)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $6.50
      Hero:
      $4.40

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A:club: , A:diamond:
      UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $6.50 (All-In), MP2 folds, Hero calls $4.40 (All-In), 4 folds, MP1 gets uncalled bet back.

      Flop: ($9.15) 9:club: , 7:diamond: , 4:diamond:
      Turn: ($9.15) K:club:
      River: ($9.15) 3:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $9.15

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of aces (Ac Ad)
      MP1 shows two pairs, nines and sevens (9h 7s)

      MP1 wins with two pairs, nines and sevens (9h 7s)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $5.00
      MP1:
      $10.20
      MP3:
      $13.95

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:club: , K:heart:
      UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.00, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $1.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.00 (All-In), MP1 calls $4.00, MP3 calls $3.25.

      Flop: ($15.10) 4:club: , J:spade: , A:spade: (2 players)
      MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

      Turn: ($15.10) J:club: (2 players)
      MP1 bets $5.20 (All-In), MP3 calls $5.20.

      River: ($25.50) 6:spade: (3 players)


      Final Pot: $25.50

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, kings and jacks (Kc Kh)
      MP1 shows two pairs, jacks and tens (Td Ts)
      MP3 shows two pairs, aces and jacks (9h Ah)

      MP3 wins with two pairs, aces and jacks (9h Ah)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG1:
      $12.50
      UTG2:
      $9.25
      Hero:
      $4.75
      CO:
      $7.40

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:diamond: , K:spade: . CO posts a blind of $0.25.
      UTG1 raises to $0.50, UTG2 calls $0.50, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $2.00, 5 folds, UTG1 raises to $3.50, UTG2 raises to $9.25 (All-In), Hero calls $2.75 (All-In), UTG1 calls $5.75.

      Flop: ($23.85) J:diamond: , A:spade: , 8:heart:
      Turn: ($23.85) 4:heart:
      River: ($23.85) 6:club: (3 players)


      Final Pot: $23.85

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of kings (Kd Ks)
      UTG1 shows a pair of aces (Qc Ad)
      UTG2 shows high card ace with jack kicker (9s 7c)

      UTG1 wins with a pair of aces (Qc Ad)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP2:
      $3.35
      MP3:
      $13.10
      Hero:
      $4.80

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K:spade: , K:heart:
      MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.00, MP3 calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($4.10) 5:club: , 9:diamond: , 2:diamond: (3 players)
      MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $3.55 (All-In), MP2 calls $2.10 (All-In), MP3 folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Turn: ($8.30) 8:spade:
      River: ($8.30) A:heart: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $8.30

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of kings (Ks Kh)
      MP2 shows two pairs, nines and eights (9h 8h)

      MP2 wins with two pairs, nines and eights (9h 8h)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP2:
      $26.90
      CO:
      $21.20
      Hero:
      $4.20

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with K:spade: , A:diamond:
      MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $4.20 (All-In), 3 folds, CO calls $3.45.

      Flop: ($9.50) 3:club: , 8:club: , 8:spade:
      Turn: ($9.50) 4:spade:
      River: ($9.50) 6:spade: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $9.50

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of eights (Ks Ad)
      CO shows a flush, queen high (Qs 5s)

      CO wins with a flush, queen high (Qs 5s)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $16.35
      Hero:
      $4.90
      UTG1:
      $14.65
      MP1:
      $5.00
      MP2:
      $20.00
      MP3:
      $52.90
      CO:
      $16.75

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart: , A:diamond: . MP1 posts a blind of $0.25. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
      UTG1 calls $0.25, UTG2 folds, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BU folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $4.90 (All-In), 3 folds, MP3 calls $4.65, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($11.05) 5:heart: , 6:heart: , Q:heart:
      Turn: ($11.05) J:club:
      River: ($11.05) 2:club: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $11.05

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows high card ace with king kicker (Kh Ad)
      MP3 shows a pair of fives (8d 5d)

      MP3 wins with a pair of fives (8d 5d)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG1:
      $18.55
      MP1:
      $5.75
      MP3:
      $11.10
      Hero:
      $9.30

      0.1/0.25 Pot-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K:club: , K:heart:
      UTG1 calls $0.25, UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2.35, 5 folds, MP3 raises to $7.90, Hero raises to $9.30 (All-In), MP3 calls $1.40.

      Flop: ($19.45) J:spade: , 7:spade: , 6:club:
      Turn: ($19.45) Q:spade:
      River: ($19.45) A:heart: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $19.45

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of kings (Kc Kh)
      MP3 shows three of a kind, aces (As Ad)

      MP3 wins with three of a kind, aces (As Ad)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $2.45
      Hero:
      $4.65

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J:heart: , J:club:
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.25, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $4.65 (All-In), 4 folds, MP1 calls $1.20 (All-In), Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Flop: ($5.25) T:spade: , 6:spade: , 5:heart:
      Turn: ($5.25) 4:diamond:
      River: ($5.25) K:spade: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $5.25

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of jacks (Jh Jc)
      MP1 shows a pair of aces (As Ad)

      MP1 wins with a pair of aces (As Ad)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $6.95
      Hero:
      $4.75
      MP1:
      $8.75
      MP2:
      $9.30
      CO:
      $6.00

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8:spade: , 8:diamond:
      MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.25, BU folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $4.75 (All-In), 2 folds, CO calls $4.50, SB folds.

      Flop: ($10.25) Q:heart: , J:club: , 9:club:
      Turn: ($10.25) 6:spade:
      River: ($10.25) 6:club: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $10.25

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, eights and sixes (8s 8d)
      CO shows a flush, king high (5c Kc)

      CO wins with a flush, king high (5c Kc)

      and this one:maybe could folded but was on tilt!


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $8.10
      MP2:
      $4.65
      BU:
      $25.00

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q:heart: , Q:spade:
      UTG2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, MP2 raises to $4.65 (All-In), 2 folds, BU calls $4.65, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8.10 (All-In), BU calls $3.45.

      Flop: ($21.20) 4:club: , 3:spade: , K:spade:
      Turn: ($21.20) A:diamond:
      River: ($21.20) 5:diamond: (3 players)


      Final Pot: $21.20

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of queens (Qh Qs)
      BU shows three of a kind, kings (Kh Kc)
      MP2 shows two pairs, aces and kings (Kd Ah)

      BU wins with three of a kind, kings (Kh Kc)
    • Balanarm
      Balanarm
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.07.2008 Posts: 17,163
      I hope you recover in no time, sick hands. I am on 15BI downswing for BBS...