[NL2-NL10] NL25 QTo (freeplay)

    • Volrath89
      Volrath89
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      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $5,00
      UTG2:
      $22,20
      MP3:
      $21,30

      0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart: , T:diamond:
      UTG2 calls $0,25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0,25, 3 folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0,85) 7:heart: , T:heart: , 9:heart: (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG2 checks, MP3 checks.

      Turn: ($0,85) 4:heart: (3 players)
      Hero bets $0,75, UTG2 calls $0,75, MP3 folds.

      River: ($2,35) 8:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4,00 (All-In), UTG2 calls $4,00.

      Final Pot: $10,35

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a flush, queen high (Qh Td)
      UTG2 shows a flush, ace high (Qc Ah)

      UTG2 wins with a flush, ace high (Qc Ah)


      - Should I have raised after the flop?
      - Seeing he called my bet in the turn, it was obvious he had the hearth too, did I missplay by pushing on the river? (should ive checked and depending on his move, called/folded?)
  • 10 replies
    • burek2000
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      I'm not sure if going broke with 3rd highest flush is ok, when there are 4 community cards of same suit...

      I would probably bet pot on the turn and 2$ on the river and push against a reraise.

      ...btw, on the flop I would check only with intention to c/r otherwise bet pot on the flop.
    • alejandrosh
      alejandrosh
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      top pair Q kicker with a flush draw is enough to bet out there IMO. then bet turn and shove river but as played I don't like to bet that much on turn ( I think 2/3 pot is enough ) and then overbet all in river , maybe he calls a J :heart: but I guess is thin.
    • dandycal
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      Top pair Q kicker + all the draws I'd bet on flop and keep palying a made hand with that flush till river.
    • InsidiouZ
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      This is a tricky hand.
      I would make a potsized bet on the flop and push it on any turn.
      As played bet the turn smaller, I would say $0,50.
      Make a 1$ bet on the river and fold by a raise.
    • InsidiouZ
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      Originally posted by alejandrosh
      top pair Q kicker with a flush draw is enough to bet out there IMO. then bet turn and shove river but as played I don't like to bet that much on turn ( I think 2/3 pot is enough ) and then overbet all in river , maybe he calls a J :heart: but I guess is thin.
      Overbet is -EV for sure, ull only get called by a K or an A.
    • alejandrosh
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      yes, that's what I meant, I don't like the overbet at all
    • burek2000
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      I'm not sure, about which bet you talk that overbet is, turn?

      I think turn as played is fine, but I'd bet pot, because when we decided to go for a hand, then we should play it aggressively and betting pot in an unraised pot is the only way to go imo, however on the river we should bet less indeed, because shove there is an overbet, we could even bet like 1/2 the pot and fold to a reraise.
    • Gerv
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      Hello Volrath89,

      TP + FD is for me still a monster draw (13) despite that I already discounted one out for the Queen high.

      I surely will not go broke with a Q high flushdraw, only with a K+ Flush.

      Therefore I bet Pot on the Flop, 2/3 Turn and valuebet between 1/2 pot on the River.
      No need to go broke, at least I won't do it

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • InsidiouZ
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      Hello Volrath89,

      TP + FD is for me still a monster draw (13) despite that I already discounted one out for the Queen high.

      I surely will not go broke with a Q high flushdraw, only with a K+ Flush.

      Therefore I bet Pot on the Flop, 2/3 Turn and valuebet between 1/2 pot on the River.
      No need to go broke, at least I won't do it

      Best regards,
      Gerv
      When ure playing this way ure going broke aswell.
      River pot would be: 0,85 *3 + 1,7 *2 = 5,95
      Remaining stack: 5 - 0,25 - 0,85 - 1,7 = 2,20
      2,20 is not even half the pot.

      @Burek, the overbet is the push on the river.
    • Gerv
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      With Two Pair+ when no 4th comes I like to go broke

      With a Queen High flush, I tend to back it off when obviously the 4th comes.