Take it or leave it - [NL SH]

    • chriskwns
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      Hi guys, my name is Chris, i'm starting this blog as a motivational challenge :f_thumbsup:

      I used to play FR ( NL25 zoom was the highest), at the end of last year I decided to switch to SH. Since then I was struggling with lack of motivation to play, low volume and ... my sister, her fiance and their little baby girl living with me, all together constantly distracting me while playing :s_ugly: :s_ugly: :s_ugly:

      I got stuck at NL10 SH ZOOM for a long time by now being b/e and recently even a losing player, feeling bored, feeling like it's going nowhere, lack of challenge. This is why I'm starting this challenge from scratch, NL2. I wanna take the road like I would have been just starting my "career" with poker. I set my BRM for 30 BI, so I'm starting with 60$, at NL25 and higher I might consider taking shots with 35 or 40 BI. Rakeback and bonuses included.

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      Now, I'm still a little bit unsure about the ranges, below there are my open raise, calling/3b and vs 3b charts. What do You think about these ? I made those partly with w34z3l's series, partly with other guys and with my own feeling and analyze.

      OR

      BU SB yellow - steal when I got info about high fold vs steal
      3 charts on the side are vs EP, MP, CO - orange/blue - value 3b, green - call, yellow - bluff 3b


      vs 3b

      orange/yellow - 4b
      blue - call
      green - call IP


      blinds


      Here I guess I have a fairly low calling range, not sure how to decide on 3bets vs EP, MP


      Anyway I was trying to build my ranges to avoid things like Ft3b over 65 % etc. but I also found something simplier, chart for example, but most of their vs 3b ranges lead to pretty high Ft3b so ...


      Will appreciate any guide about what ranges might be better at micro zoom, take care and wish me luck :s_cool:

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    • chriskwns
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      My first session, I realized that I overestimated my approach, I was playing weak, hoping to just hit hands, giving up too easly, not fighting for pots. You can see it got a little bit better at the end.


      Some coolers ( ? )

      #1
      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2908877
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      BTN: $8.64
      SB: $1.44
      BB: $0.99
      Hero (UTG): $2.02
      MP: $2.52
      CO: $4.11

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J :club: T :club:
      Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

      Flop: ($0.20) 3 :club: 5 :club: A :club: (3 players)
      SB bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09, CO raises to $0.42, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.96 all in, CO calls $1.54

      Turn: ($4.21) A :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: ($4.21) 7 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: $4.21
      Hero shows J :club: T :club: (a flush, Ace high)
      CO shows 8 :club: Q :club: (a flush, Ace high - Queen higher)
      CO wins $4.06
      (Rake: $0.15)



      #2
      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2908878
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      Hero (BTN): $2.32
      SB: $4.21
      BB: $1.99
      UTG: $3.07
      MP: $2.81
      CO: $2.35

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 8 :heart: 7 :heart:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.14, Hero calls $0.09

      Flop: ($0.29) 8 :club: 7 :diamond: K :diamond: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.96, Hero raises to $2.18 all in, BB calls $0.89 all in

      Turn: ($3.99) 3 :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

      River: ($3.99) 6 :heart: (2 players - 2 are all in)

      Final Pot: $3.99
      Hero shows 8 :heart: 7 :heart: (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
      BB shows K :spade: K :club: (three of a kind, Kings)
      BB wins $3.85
      (Rake: $0.14)



      I need to play focused and take it serious even though it's only NL2.:f_cool:
    • la55i
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      You have an interesting blog :) I will keep following this :f_thumbsup:

      I took a quick look at your ranges and overall those look ok. There is some things I would personally change but it doesn't mean yours are bad. I noticed that you seem to open raise a bit tighter than me but still you have quite wide 3bet range. I would for example open more pocket pairs and suited connectors from MP and fold those easily dominated hands like KJo,K9s,Q9s. But your ranges can work just fine :)


      :gl:
    • chriskwns
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      Hello la55i. Yes I have some leaks in my ranges, will work on that once I have a big enough sample to see what part of range is working for me and what doesn't.

      So far I've played 5k hands, hmm not so good, I still have to work on my general approach, sometimes I give them too much credit, sometimes not, having thoughts like " cmon it's only NL2 " and even though it is only NL2, I need to take it more serious if I want to move up.


      I need to take a closer look on what happend when I lost 4 BIs in ~ 400 hands, mostly without showdown. I will post my results once a week and some tough spots and thoughts during the week.
    • chriskwns
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      Non showdown hands :
      Will appreciate any advice whether I give them too much credit and overthinking this.

      #1

      I could squezze but open raiser is UTG, normally I don't 3b AKo vs UTG thus I decided to call.
      Postflop board is super dry, he's cbetting, I don't see a reason to raise even though he's betting 1/2 pot, on the river I decided to donkbet 1/2 just to make sure he won't checkback something like AQ, AJ, AT and other weaker Ax. Once he raises I don't really think he's doing that with weaker range.

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2909384
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      BTN: $3.05
      SB: $2.41
      Hero (BB): $2.01
      UTG: $2.73
      MP: $3.98
      CO: $2.13

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K :spade: A :heart:
      UTG raises to $0.08, 1 fold, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06

      Flop: ($0.25) A :spade: 3 :club: 8 :diamond: (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $0.12, CO folds, Hero calls $0.12

      Turn: ($0.49) 6 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

      River: ($0.93) 9 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.45, UTG raises to $1.38, Hero folds



      #2

      I'm calling preflop as this is my standard defend vs 3bet - what do You think about calling that OOP ?
      Postflop, well, as You can see.

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2909388
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      BTN: $1.07
      SB: $2.38
      BB: $3.55
      Hero (UTG): $2.62
      MP: $1.87
      CO: $0.78

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with K :heart: Q :heart:
      Hero raises to $0.06, MP raises to $0.16, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.35) K :spade: T :club: 3 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

      Turn: ($0.85) 7 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $0.44, Hero calls $0.44

      River: ($1.73) 6 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $1.02 all in, Hero folds



      #3

      Here it all comes down to how should I define his raise on that flop, made flush, FD, sets, 2 pair. When I put that into equilab it shows ~44% for me so I guess it's just fold on the flop ? Pretty tought spot OOP ... unless there's pretty simple answer - just fold the flop considering that whole hand from now on will get tought making it hard to get to showdown.

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2909390
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      BTN: $33.79
      SB: $2.14
      BB: $2.28
      UTG: $5.00
      Hero (MP): $2.00
      CO: $4.12

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with K :diamond: K :spade:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.15) 8 :heart: 6 :heart: 3 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.10, BTN raises to $0.24, Hero calls $0.14

      Turn: ($0.63) A :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.44, Hero calls $0.44

      River: ($1.51) 4 :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.30, Hero folds

    • chriskwns
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      #4
      Bigger flop, bigger turn ?

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2910656
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      Hero (BTN): $2.09
      SB: $2.09
      BB: $2.13
      UTG: $2.25
      MP: $4.04
      CO: $2.33

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with T :spade: T :diamond:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, SB calls $0.04, BB calls $0.03

      Flop: ($0.15) J :club: T :club: 7 :heart: (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

      Turn: ($0.35) A :diamond: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.22, BB calls $0.22

      River: ($0.79) 5 :club: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.76, Hero folds



      #5
      Makes sense to call that river ?

      Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2910658
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      BTN: $2.05
      SB: $2.31
      Hero (BB): $2.05
      UTG: $3.06
      MP: $2.11
      CO: $1.93

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 3 :diamond: A :diamond:
      UTG raises to $0.04, 3 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero calls $0.02

      Flop: ($0.12) 6 :diamond: 8 :spade: A :heart: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

      Turn: ($0.12) 3 :club: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.09, UTG calls $0.09, SB folds

      River: ($0.30) 2 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.19, UTG raises to $0.38, Hero ...?

    • la55i
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      I took a quick look at your hands. If you want better in-depth reviews of them I suggest you post them on our hand discussion forum :)

      #1, I would definitely squeeze. When we are multiway and we hit you can donk flop. I think you under-rep your hand a bit and that half pot donk OTR doesn't make much sense. It is close but I think folding is ok.

      #3, you could fold OTF but I think calling is not a big mistake. I would fold at least OTT.

      #5, I think I would call his small raise OTR.
    • chriskwns
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      Thanks la55i, I will post hands over there from now on. Also have a question to those who got here, how would You build defend range vs 3b OOP - CO vs BU starting with this opening range ~ 30% :
    • peddy53
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      Hi

      Good blog deffo following. Are you playing regular or Zoom tables?

      Hands:
      #1-wp #2. im not folding this as villain looks like a fish with incomplete stacks. unless you have some reads
      #3- I wouldve folded the turn, too much strengh shown on a mono board and then keep betting, #4- I have no clue on that one, probably call and cry if there is a straight. he might have lots of 2pair on there as well.
      #5- I would make a crying call as we have 2 pair.


      As for the CO vs 3b i ususally use something like this :

    • chriskwns
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      Hello peddy, thanks for interest.

      #2 - I just figured that once he triple barrel there are not many hands that I beat on the river other than pure bluffs, overplayed weaker Kx, QQ, JJ, that assuming he's IP, he would probably just check back OTR.

      #3 - Yes, fold turn at most or even fold flop to make life easier, especially being OOP.

      #4 - Well straight got there, flush got there, in my experience on the micro, even though it's super face-up donkbet on that river flush, it's mostly flush, especially PSB.

      #5 - I did call, he had 66.

      Thanks for that vs3b range, looks good, I just have a question, dont You think it would be good to have some 4b bluff in here ? BU vs CO 3bets are quite often, people often 3b here with garbage and snap fold to 4b. Fold ATs, KTs and add lets say A5s, A4s etc as a 4b bluff ?
    • peddy53
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      I am doing kind of a similar thing as you are.
      I have started on nl2 a week ago basically and ran 10 bi into 20. My aim is to get to nl10 with a agressive BR, after that we will see.
      I do not have a bluff 4b range until I get to nl10. I believe that most times the people at nl2-nl5 will be true and will play straight forward.
      From nl10 or even nl25 a bluff 4b range needs to be in our game not before.
      We just need to play straight aggro poker and get the nits money :s_drink:
    • la55i
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      I'm not a fan of that range above. I think 98s might be too loose call. Same goes with KTs and KJs. Depends a bit on villain of course.
      I would sometimes 4bet JJ and sometimes just call. Depends a bit on villain.

      Then I think it is good to have bluff 4bet range too. I would start by adding A2s-A5s,KTs,KJs to 4bet bluffs. Then you can decide if you want to 4bet bluff for example AJo or KJo, or some more AXs combos like ATs&A9s.. That way you will have balanced 4bet range.
    • chriskwns
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      Are you playing regular or Zoom tables?
      Zoom.
    • chriskwns
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      BRM :

      Hands - 8110 + Sunday Storm
      Profit - $90,78
      BR - $150,78
      Weeks - 1
    • chriskwns
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      Pretty much I didn't play last week, but whenever I was playing I noticed couple things to fix, peace of mind - that's most importart, I shouldn't rush my self to sit down and start playing, housemates are still doing great job not letting me to focus so this week I will try new approach, I will write about that later. Second thing is general attitude, I need to take it all more professionally but that goes hand in hand with first reason.

      Good thing is that yesterday I played Sunday Storm ( I always do ) and got a small reward :f_drink:
      You finished the tournament in 548th place. A USD 77.77 award has been credited to your Stars Account.
    • chriskwns
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      I included my Sunday Storm's winning to my overall bankroll thus this week I will move to NL5.
    • SvenBe
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      nice to see that someone got a good jump start!
      GL on your journey!

      SvenBe
    • chriskwns
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      Originally posted by SvenBe
      nice to see that someone got a good jump start!
      GL on your journey!

      SvenBe
      Hi Sven, I'm kinda starting from scratch so It's always good to get my share of beginner's luck :f_drink:
    • SvenBe
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      Hi Chris, how is it going? The start of your blog seemed so motivated, especially with the chart- however i am missing an update on how it is going (for the BR challenge,especially Link)

      CU,SvenBe
    • chriskwns
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      Yes, yes, I didn't play last week thus I didn't make my report, but I'm grinding this week and will report on Monday. Sorry for absence, I hope I can get away with a warning :f_p: