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[NL2-NL10] QQ on dangerous board

    • GunFlavoured
      GunFlavoured
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.10.2008 Posts: 626
      $0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
      9 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($6.85)
      Hero (UTG 1) ($4.75)
      MP1 ($24.65)
      MP2 ($25.50)
      MP3 ($11.60)
      CO ($5.00)
      BTN ($24.90)
      SB ($29.45)
      BB ($22.10)

      Pre-flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is UTG 1 Q:spade: Q:diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

      Flop: 6:spade: 9:spade: K:spade: ($4, 4 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero goes all-in $3.75, MP2 calls $3.75, SB folds, BB folds

      Turn: K:diamond: ($11.50, 2 players)

      River: T:spade: ($11.50, 2 players)

      Final Pot: $11.50
      MP2 shows: J:spade: 3:spade:
      Hero shows: Q:spade: Q:diamond:


      Do I push in this situation?
  • 7 replies
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Well, basic SSS says when you are pre-flop aggressor and you hit a FD or OESD you play it as made hand.

      But here, because you have a pocket pair, you don't have outs for two-pair. So you can count 9 (FD) + 2 (trips) = 11 outs, which is not really a monster draw, so I guess check/fold on flop. But let's see what the judge says.
    • Volrath89
      Volrath89
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      Joined: 23.07.2008 Posts: 2,171
      I think you should've have check-folded.
    • RockEye
      RockEye
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      Joined: 12.08.2008 Posts: 416
      Me thinks too. Check/fold it against 3 opponents, against one opponent raise cbet 2/3 of the pot.
    • mikelstwe
      mikelstwe
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      Joined: 29.08.2008 Posts: 156
      TBH, for me it is a little dependent on stats. Yes we do have two opponents and under c-bet rules it is a c/f.

      However personally I push here as the opponents checked to me, I have initiative and 11 outs. I would add fold equity to my calculation and therefore it is slightly opponent dependent
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      Sure enough it's a scary board but we don't even have a psb left. IMO, the only question is that do we get the money in here or on a later street. This is a hugely complicated question and depends pretty much on our opponents and how they play.

      As a default option I can't imagine shoving the flop to be too far wrong. Sure we are sometimes almost dead here but often some villain will make a call with some crappy hand (J :spade: -9 etc) and of course the naked A :spade: will always call.

      One pair+goodFD is a monster with the money so shallow.

      NH.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by dandycal
      Well, basic SSS says when you are pre-flop aggressor and you hit a FD or OESD you play it as made hand.
      No we don't play it as a made hand multiway!

      Against Toppair you have 11 outs = 44% winning chance
      Against a made flush(<J flush) you have 7 outs = 28% winning chance
      Against Ax (non ) you have 90+% winning chance
      Against A:sx you have 57% equity
      Against A:s2 you have 2% equity

      I think a Push is okay but check/folding can also save you money because you only invested 4bb in this pot.
      Personal preference is just check/folding this one until you hit a

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • mikelstwe
      mikelstwe
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      Joined: 29.08.2008 Posts: 156
      MP2 is a seriously sick man!!