How would you solve the problem if your teenager child would ask your ID to open a poker account?

    • SPeedFANat1c
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      I was thinking about this situation: you play poker, have lot of fun, maybe make living. And your child see how cool is that. And wants you to cheat the system by letting open an account with your ID or if you do not agree then he steals your id and still opens.

      And one day you also want to play at same room, open, and then play, win, and then they say - you are multi accounter, money frozen.

      Of course you could say to them that its not your fault, your son stole the ID if you find out.

      Maybe there are some of you who have teenager kids who want to play online poker? How do you deal? Or how would you deal with that?

      Maybe some kids will understand that they need to wait. But many who like poker I believe might think how bad dad you are, this is not so serious.

      If I was teenager, it would be insane time for me to wait like 4 years till I could play. So I can imagine how they should feel.
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    • la55i
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      When I was underage my dad opened an account for me. He did it with his own info and let me play. No problem there. He doesn't even play poker himself.

      What comes to stealing ID and accidentally multi accounting, I don't know if that is even possible. I think poker rooms will not allow you to register a new account with the same legit info you have provided before. They should tell you that you already have an account. So basically you shouldn't be able to have 2 accounts if the other one is not with fake name etc..?

      But if that happens and you have 2 accounts and both of them are totally legit and have the same info, maybe you can just say "oh shit, I didn't remember I already had an account. Could you merge my accounts or transfer the money to the first one and close this account?" :)

      If something really bad happens and your funds are indeed frozen. Well, you go and punish the kid. I don't think there is much to do in that case.
      Actually you could sue your kid and demand the amount in damages.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      When I was underage my dad opened an account for me. He did it with his own info and let me play. No problem there. He doesn't even play poker himself.
      hmm, interesting. I thought rooms care that its exactly. Or maybe thats was working becuase your dad did not even play. There was a single player playing the acccount. This this opens posibility to cheating. For example you know that this is not your acc, so you could try cheat and then after you got 18, you open fresh account.
      On the other hand if family member cheated, the room might have suspitions. Of course it is not good when the cheater in real was not you, and your family member cheated and they would make problems now.

      What comes to stealing ID and accidentally multi accounting, I don't know if that is even possible. I think poker rooms will not allow you to register a new account with the same legit info you have provided before. They should tell you that you already have an account. So basically you shouldn't be able to have 2 accounts if the other one is not with fake name etc..?

      But if that happens and you have 2 accounts and both of them are totally legit and have the same info, maybe you can just say "oh shit, I didn't remember I already had an account. Could you merge my accounts or transfer the money to the first one and close this account?
      maybe true. But are they really saying instantly that it is duplicate account. I guess they might only say only when you win and cashout :D and freeze the money and call you a cheater.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      why this thread is moved to no limit section ?:)
    • SvenBe
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      Hi guys,

      it is your responsibility as a parent to not let your kid get involved in gambling prior to being in the legal age for gambling. You need to draw a very clear line and tell your kid that this is in no way acceptable and playing online poker too early may seriously harm his development.

      If you need further help to convince your child to not get into gambling in an early age, please check out Bigdeal or contact your local responsible gaming authority.
      Gambling too early can lead to educational problems ("i prefer to play and try to win instead of going to school"), can lead to emotional, social and behavioral problems plus lead to an early gambling career.
    • la55i
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      I totally agree with Sven.
      The fact that I did something like that doesn't mean that you should let your kid play poker when underage. It is irresponsible and can lead to serious problems as pointed out in the posts above.

      Teach your kid to play chess or hearthstone instead :f_thumbsup:
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      Originally posted by SvenBe
      Hi guys,

      it is your responsibility as a parent to not let your kid get involved in gambling prior to being in the legal age for gambling. You need to draw a very clear line and tell your kid that this is in no way acceptable and playing online poker too early may seriously harm his development.

      If you need further help to convince your child to not get into gambling in an early age, please check out Bigdeal or contact your local responsible gaming authority.
      Gambling too early can lead to educational problems ("i prefer to play and try to win instead of going to school"), can lead to emotional, social and behavioral problems plus lead to an early gambling career.
      this would have not worked for me :) at least I really wanted to make money easy way and show how smart I am. It was forbidden to gamble in our school but but we gambled with each other, sometimes not even hiding much from some teachers. The desire was so big, I do not know what could have stopped me :) They had to threaten me very seriously with something really bad.

      What only stopped me - getting in a huge debt. Still payable for adult but not for a teenager.

      So I really believe if my child would be like me, he would not listen to what I say and what can I do :)
    • nsavov
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      I would smack my son over the head and tell him to stop wasting his time with BS and start spending his money like the normal kids his age do - on hookers, drugs and roulette.
    • msp3101
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      Originally posted by la55i
      I totally agree with Sven.
      The fact that I did something like that doesn't mean that you should let your kid play poker when underage. It is irresponsible and can lead to serious problems as pointed out in the posts above.

      Teach your kid to play chess or hearthstone instead :f_thumbsup:
      My 9 year old beat me at heads up yesterday but can't beat me at chess or backgammon yet.

      I allow him to play on only one of my poker accounts that doesn't allow HUDs and it isn't tracked on Pokerstrategy.

      However he got 99% in his end of year maths exams.
    • may1553
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      The fact that I did something like that doesn't mean that you should let your kid play poker when underage. It is irresponsible and can lead to serious problems as pointed out in the posts above.
    • Kyyberi
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      As a parent you have to decide what are your goals as a parent regarding to laws, right and wrong, morale and ethics. No one follows the law completely. You might drive slightly over the limit, you might watch copyrighted material and so on. And no one is perfect with morale and ethics (as it is impossible too). We all lie.

      So when your underaged child want to use your ID, it all comes down to what you want to teach your kid. Is it ok to break the rules and law? Is it harmful to play for money when underaged? There are a lot of researches about teenage brains and gaming/gambling.

      It's not an easy thing to do. If the kid is 10y old, it's a lot easier than when he is 17,5y old and very mature.

      My own approach (we have 15y and 8y old ones) is that our job as parents is to teach what is right and wrong, and mold their morale and ethics as good as we can. And the general rule is that you should be honest and obey the rules and laws. And sometimes you don't do things you would like just for the reason that it is wrong. I don't tell them all the thing I have done in the past and as a kid, as they can't understand the whole world yet. I can't say "you can't do it because it is wrong, but I did it when I was a kid". They learn so much from our example.

      If 15y (soon 16y) would be interested in poker, I could talk about probabilities with him and maybe play with chips at home. Approach the game from strategic point of view. But at the same time explain why he can't and shouldn't play with money. How the brains of teenager work and what are the dangers and problems in it. He is pretty smart kid and understands that.

      Last summer he was on a boat trip and there are hundreds of slot machines on that boat (all Finns and Swedes know this). They are forbidden from underaged but in reality 15-17y old kids play them a lot. He wanted to play them too and got really upset when I said no. When I explained the reason, he took it a lot better and understood it. For 8y old simple no is enough, she can live with the explanation "cos it's forbidden, that's why".

      I did my practical learning in my studies for Bachelor of Social Services in a resource center for gambling addicts. I talked and worked a lot with former and current addicts and pretty much all of them started playing when underaged.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      current addicts and pretty much all of them started playing when underaged.
      succesful players are also addicts :) and probably lot of them gambled underaged too :)

      btw slot machines is different and since its imposible to win, its easier to convince to not play, if he is smart enough to understand basic math.

      but with poker - he can still play and hide from you now.
    • Mobcasinos
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      Very interesting topic you brought here. In my opinion as a parent I won't allowed to use my ID . It is your personal identity and if any thing goes wrong you will be in trouble. You need to discipline you child it is your responsibility as a parent.