never again

    • Agiz19
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      This site suck a lot. For the past few days i lost every KK AA TT QQ i got no matter if i hit a set some else flops a straight or better set. I mean so f***** unrealistic. not even close to percentage of how many times i win those hands 0%.

      So i am never playing on titan again it sucks more than ever before and all my previous points were taken away, cannot use the store so no use of 4k tp.

      I am really annoyed and furious and i hope everybody stops playing here. So computer sytem faking rigged.
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    • Pe4Ce2
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      I dont say it too hard like you, but i have same experience... What chance is, that on turn or river comes 5th card on flush? .. 30% ? .... most of hands with KK AA or something i lose like this, when someone goes ALL in a wait for flush which comes ..

      My experience is, that if i have few mony left on bankrool, pokersoftwer helps me .. but if i have more mony, I always loose with some noob who has 33 and goes All in, and 3th card comes and someone like this ..

      Sorry for my bad english ..
    • Jaime001254
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      yeah! ipoker = rigged!!!!!
    • opal99
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      good luck with such attitude guys :/ You'll really need to be lucky because suckouts' period will come sooner or later on every site no matter how well you play and no matter what stakes you play..

      Enjoy your new poker room and come back to this thread in few months when you'll consider changing it after hitting next bad downswing.
    • tlLome
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      Originally posted by opal99
      good luck with such attitude guys :/ You'll really need to be lucky because suckouts' period will come sooner or later on every site no matter how well you play and no matter what stakes you play..

      Enjoy your new poker room and come back to this thread in few months when you'll consider changing it after hitting next bad downswing.
      While I mostly agree with this, having now played at Cake, UB, FTP, Stars, PP, Betfair, Titan and CDpoker I have to say I don't see the extreme suckouts at the other places like I do at ipoker sites. I also have found I have way less varience at the other sites. Wish I payed closer attention before I signed up at CD while bonus whoring as I didn't realize it was just Titan with different window dressing.
    • Jaime001254
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      does ipoker constantly shuffle the deck?
      maybe its a leak in the algorithm...
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Originally posted by tlLome
      While I mostly agree with this, having now played at Cake, UB, FTP, Stars, PP, Betfair, Titan and CDpoker I have to say I don't see the extreme suckouts at the other places like I do at ipoker sites. I also have found I have way less varience at the other sites. Wish I payed closer attention before I signed up at CD while bonus whoring as I didn't realize it was just Titan with different window dressing.
      Not many people agree with such answers so it's appreciated ;)

      OK really, don't take it as offence please but this is what i think:
      It's ALL about variance in short or long run. How many hands did you (tlLome) play at all of those sites? It's just guess, but let's say 10-50k each... (is it very inaccurate guess??)

      There're few reasons why I think it just variance related problem:
      1. you can easily hit bad downswing which will last for 50k+ hands (personal experience);
      2. you're still in the some part of learning process, so you make mistakes;
      3. you're still improving your playing style, getting experiences etc. what should lower your variance but at the same time, you're playing more marginal situations what increases it;
      4. there're different layouts, different game speed etc. what can increase/decrease your first-hand perception after bad beat (i'm serious with this one);
      5. etc

      I know my english is not good enough but I hope you see what I mean by saying "It's all about variance" ;)

      :spade: Good luck at the tables everyone! :spade:
    • opal99
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      Originally posted by Jaime001254
      does ipoker constantly shuffle the deck?
      maybe its a leak in the algorithm...
      What do you mean by that? There'd be situations like you holding A:spade: K:heart: and A:spade: 8:heart: 2:diamond: flop possible then ;)

      and I'm sure there's no reason to change algorithm somehow to steal your buyin and give it to over-all losing fish :rolleyes:


      EDIT: I'm the last person here to advocate Titan poker, because I, simply said, HATE their software and their so called "support", so my previous answers were meant in general..
    • PokerExile
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      Know the feeling, I feel some of these sites are rigged, I have lost all my points on TITAN, pointless building them up. Pretty sure there is something fishy about Full Tilt as well, try watching it and see how many times the guy/gal with the most money or chips wins, I dont believe it is just luck or good play, if you dont believe me, CHECK IT OUT.
    • tlLome
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      Originally posted by opal99
      Originally posted by tlLome
      While I mostly agree with this, having now played at Cake, UB, FTP, Stars, PP, Betfair, Titan and CDpoker I have to say I don't see the extreme suckouts at the other places like I do at ipoker sites. I also have found I have way less varience at the other sites. Wish I payed closer attention before I signed up at CD while bonus whoring as I didn't realize it was just Titan with different window dressing.
      Not many people agree with such answers so it's appreciated ;)

      OK really, don't take it as offence please but this is what i think:
      It's ALL about variance in short or long run. How many hands did you (tlLome) play at all of those sites? It's just guess, but let's say 10-50k each... (is it very inaccurate guess??)

      There're few reasons why I think it just variance related problem:
      1. you can easily hit bad downswing which will last for 50k+ hands (personal experience);
      2. you're still in the some part of learning process, so you make mistakes;
      3. you're still improving your playing style, getting experiences etc. what should lower your variance but at the same time, you're playing more marginal situations what increases it;
      4. there're different layouts, different game speed etc. what can increase/decrease your first-hand perception after bad beat (i'm serious with this one);
      5. etc

      I know my english is not good enough but I hope you see what I mean by saying "It's all about variance" ;)

      :spade: Good luck at the tables everyone! :spade:
      I am sure you are right, I am in no way saying that ipoker or any site is rigged. However over the hands I have played at the sites it still seems that there are more improbable hands (set vs set, 2outers, runner runner etc) on the i-poker sites. For all players this is not just for or against me.

      Titan was the first site I ever played, I was pretty much break even, I have been a winning player at all other sites I have played at (to varying degrees). Went back to Titan (well CD really) and again I just can not get anywhere.

      You are right about the different layouts and tilt though, CD poker puts me on tilt now as soon as I sign in, I also think the colour scheme has something to do with it. It has to be the ugliest site in existence.

      Even if we disagree on this I think we can both agree that Titan blows. :D
    • Jaime001254
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      Originally posted by opal99
      Originally posted by Jaime001254
      does ipoker constantly shuffle the deck?
      maybe its a leak in the algorithm...
      What do you mean by that? There'd be situations like you holding A:spade: K:heart: and A:spade: 8:heart: 2:diamond: flop possible then ;)

      and I'm sure there's no reason to change algorithm somehow to steal your buyin and give it to over-all losing fish :rolleyes:


      EDIT: I'm the last person here to advocate Titan poker, because I, simply said, HATE their software and their so called "support", so my previous answers were meant in general..
      hehehe nope, not like suited pocket pairs...
      something wrong with how the software uses the randomness of the RNG.
      in pokerstars, they shuffle the deck before any card is dealt, stored, and then cards are dealt, without re-shuffling.

      idk, i think ipoker re-shuffles the remaining cards (mening that, for example, river depends on the time you take to call a bet), and that can lead to unexpected variance (when you are all in for example) and maybe some disfunction on the RNG

      if "random" is a number between 0 and 1, and then applying that random number to the remaining cards of the deck (if 0.001<random<0.0032, then deal A :spade: for example), doesnt seem efficient, and that could lead to a "leak", where soemtimes, one card is less/more often dealt.

      my english isnt great either, hope you got the idea
    • heartburn13
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      I have found the same thing I have just left titan its rigged, so I went to party same crap its rigged, then to stars that site is the most rigged.:) or I could be playing bad or on a downswing but thats unlikely because ive been playing this game for 2 months now and have seen everything there is to see and learn t everything there is to learn.
    • williamtywong
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      even if the sites are so called "rigged" which I don't believe, the sites really have no reason to help one person against another, regardless of stack. It does them no good.

      ok, you might argue that the alogrithms might be set to deal more "bet inducing" hands (ie. set vs. set). While that might be possible, I still feel it's unlikely. However, this actually DOES benefit teh casino, since more action=more rake. However, even so, in the end, it comes down to your skill and discipline in how you play these "bet inducing" hands. I'm sure, in the end, if you look on elephant, and isolate teh "handrange" that we play, the graph will still be going way up and be very profitable. Premium hands will not be the reason why you are losing. Instead, it will be how you choose to play the marginal hands.
    • TheBrood
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      wow, another "<this> site is rigged" thread. Like you havent sucked out on anyone right? lol
    • EagleStar88
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      Originally posted by TheBrood
      wow, another "<this> site is rigged" thread. Like you havent sucked out on anyone right? lol
      rofl +1
    • jonnyjm
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      these threads are getting hellerious...

      Its poker...not matter how offten something should happen,
      or how unlikley something is, sooner or latter it IS going to happen.

      What all this talk about the type of shuffler? it makes no diffrence...

      over a long enough period of time everything evens it self out.
    • jonnyjm
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      Originally posted by heartburn13
      or I could be playing bad or on a downswing but thats unlikely because ive been playing this game for 2 months now and have seen everything there is to see and learn t everything there is to learn.
      2months...is that it? and you think youv learnt everything?

      no one has learnt EVERYTHING about poker...even players like Ivey and Hellmuth are still learning.
    • heartburn13
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      sorry if you missed my humour
    • delete461
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      Obviously it is rigged - a multi-million dollar company has gone to huuuge lengths to manipulate the system and help one player win a pot over another, putting that companies entire livelihood and income at risk for a little extra rake.

      People who make this allegation either have absolutely no concept of risk v reward, or they are not capable of understanding how risk v reward applies to others and not just themselves. Or they are just fucking retarded.
    • opal99
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      Originally posted by heartburn13
      I have found the same thing I have just left titan its rigged, so I went to party same crap its rigged, then to stars that site is the most rigged.:) or I could be playing bad or on a downswing but thats unlikely because ive been playing this game for 2 months now and have seen everything there is to see and learn t everything there is to learn.
      you're the best :D